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Are Pot Users Criminals? The Tragic Case of Rachel Hoffman
ABC News ^ | July 24, 2008 | BRIAN ROSS and VIC WALTER

Posted on 07/25/2008 8:49:03 PM PDT by bamahead

After being caught twice with a "baggie" of marijuana, 23-year old Rachel Hoffman was reportedly told by police in Tallahassee, Florida that she would go to prison for four years unless she became an undercover informant.

The young woman, a recent graduate of Florida State University, was murdered during a botched sting operation two months ago.

"The idea of waging a war on drugs is to protect people and here it seems like we're putting people in harm's way," said Lance Block, a lawyer hired by Rachel's parents.

The Florida Attorney General's office says it is reviewing the procedures and protocol of the Tallahassee police.

"I'm calling her a criminal," Tallahassee police chief Dennis Jones told 20/20, who maintains that both drug dealers and drug users are considered criminals to his department.

Under Florida law, possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana is a felony.

The Tallahassee police chief says Rachel was suspected of selling drugs and she was rightly treated as a criminal.

"That's my job as a police chief to find these criminals in our community and take them off the street, to make the proper arrests," Jones told 20/20.

Rachel's case also is raising questions about how police recruit and use informants in undercover operations.

"There need to be some safeguards here," said Block, the Hoffman family lawyer.

The young woman received no training before being sent to an undercover meeting to buy a large amount of drugs and a handgun from two suspects.

Police says Rachel was killed by the very handgun she was supposed to buy.

"I don't think she understood the risk or danger that she was in," said Block.

Rachel was in a drug court diversion program when she became an informant.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baronmunchiehausen; criminals; donutwatch; jbts; lawsuit; libertarians; munchies; pot; potheadalert; potheads; themunchies; wod; wosd
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To: waiyu

Ludicrous counter-argument that only serves to inflame.


61 posted on 07/25/2008 9:55:52 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: dragnet2

“How did you catch them? On the job?”

yes.


62 posted on 07/25/2008 9:56:16 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: bamahead

I wish I had a little pot right now .


63 posted on 07/25/2008 9:56:23 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Redcoat1982

I have a friend that when he drinks he likes to go driving, but when he smokes he stays at home and plays video games. I finally convinced him to stop drinking when he almost killed his neighbors kid coming home one night. I would rather he smoke weed. My point with the bank thing is that if we legalize everything people are into then we have anarchy. There are many good reasons to legalize it, but then what? What will people try to legalize next? Do you really want kids laying around smoking or are you for regulating it? At what age would it be legal to smoke? 21? 18? 12?


64 posted on 07/25/2008 9:57:38 PM PDT by waiyu (Living is the only thing worth dying for.)
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To: Gondring
Rachel was in a drug court diversion program when she became an informant.

From the article, "Rachel was in a drug court diversion program when she became an informant. "

I'll have to make an educated guess as to her guilt.

65 posted on 07/25/2008 9:58:05 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ConservaTexan
That is the most reasonable response I've seen so far. This young lady was a Professenle Drug Payer, she did not need training. (probably could have shown the cops a few new tricks) She was in Court Ordered Drug Diversion Program at the time she was arrested AGAIN for pot.
66 posted on 07/25/2008 9:59:24 PM PDT by Peacekeeper357 (God provided food for every bird but he didn't put it in their nest.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Tpeople who offer bribes are more guilty than those who accept them, becuase they are initiating corruption.

Is "more guilty" like a 'little pregnant'?

67 posted on 07/25/2008 9:59:28 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: BreezyDog

According to the story, she also had ecstasy pills on her.


68 posted on 07/25/2008 10:00:01 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: dalereed

Wow, why do so many people feel the need to smoke rope while working for you?


69 posted on 07/25/2008 10:00:13 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: waiyu

21. Same as alcohol.

You can grow weed anywhere.

If people can grow it, they don’t need to buy it from gangsters. I am for pot and hashish to be legal, nothing more.


70 posted on 07/25/2008 10:00:18 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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To: dalereed

Hear, hear.


71 posted on 07/25/2008 10:00:27 PM PDT by Gator113 (Drill here, drill now...... or die.)
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To: Peacekeeper357
Florida state attorney Willie Meggs said Hoffman, as part of the drug court program, never should have been used as an informant in the first place. "The drug court contract says you are not to associate with anyone using drugs," said Meggs. Under Tallahassee police department rules, any time a person under court probation is to be used as an informant, it requires the permission of the state attorney. Meggs was never notified, and never gave his permission for Hoffman to participate in the sting.

72 posted on 07/25/2008 10:00:42 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Force of Truth

Drunk, hunGover, using pot, or any other drug they were instant history.

They are dangerous to not only themselves but to people that had to work with them besides being non productive.

I never left the office without a payroll check book and everyone that worked for me knew it.


73 posted on 07/25/2008 10:01:20 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: ConservaTexan
Is "more guilty" like a 'little pregnant'?

OK "guilty of a worse crime" if you want to be technical

74 posted on 07/25/2008 10:01:30 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: BreezyDog
Legalize marijuana plain and simple. It is safer than alcohol.

At this point, a good case can be made for legalizing opiates. It would drive the price of heroin down to it's true value - nothing - and the Taliban would be deprived of their major source of funding. If our military mission in Afghanistan becomes an opium war, it will go on forever - unless we nuke Helmand province. Of course, there would be a lot more addicts, but that is more acceptable than allowing the Taliban terrorists to grow richer and more threatening to Afghanistan and the U.S.

75 posted on 07/25/2008 10:01:53 PM PDT by HAL9000 ("No one made you run for president, girl."- Bill Clinton)
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To: ConservaTexan

So, once you are convicted of a crime (or intimidated into pleading on it), then you are automatically guilty of any accusation they want to put on you in the future?

Sorry, but that’s not how America works...yet.


76 posted on 07/25/2008 10:02:29 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Peacekeeper357

It’s nice to hear from someone that doesn’t have a room full of black light posters and a ‘killer’ skull bong. Thanks, I figured that I would get hammered by everyone for saying that.


77 posted on 07/25/2008 10:03:48 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: BreezyDog

“why do so many people feel the need to smoke rope while working for you?”

Probably because they were baby boomers or younger.


78 posted on 07/25/2008 10:04:00 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: BreezyDog
Wow, why do so many people feel the need to smoke rope while working for you?

And stick with jute, the nylon type is a bummer

79 posted on 07/25/2008 10:04:06 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: dalereed

Hungover?

What if they were just sick?

How would you know?

I’d sue you into bankruptcy.


80 posted on 07/25/2008 10:04:07 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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