Posted on 07/24/2008 2:32:46 AM PDT by Man50D
I’ll bet a similar number of trip and fall deaths occur on staircases.
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Good point!
Sitting here laughing!
Maybe all infants and children should be raised in government padded cells! Hey! Why? Answer: Because occasionally a child falls and gets a boo boo! :=)
I am joking. I hope it doesn’t become a reality like the abuse joke. :(
I hear that “it can’t happen here” all the time.
My response has been that I don’t care if you don’t think it can happen here or not.
The problem is that there are actually people in power that WANT it to happen. That’s enough to raise alarm bells - I don’t care if you don’t think it CAN happen.
There fixed that!
It is time we called it what it is!
All liberals, progressives, leftists, and socialists are on the same train. All socialist programs are merely station stops. The final destination always was and **is**: MARXIST UTOPIA-LAND!
By the way, it **really** steams me that our major talk show hosts rarely use the **only** words that fit. MARXISM and COMMUNISM! I find Rush Limbaugh especially irritating because I know that he **knows** better!
Now wintertime will say something to the effect of "Then we should not let parents have children at all and institutionalize them all."
And she would be right. That's where this is heading. The *Brave New World*.
This legislation is just one more step in that direction. If you can't see that she's right, you have a major blind spot.
As a matter of fact, I don't see your objection to this unwarranted, massive government intrusion into the private lives of people. Yes, the majority of abuse occurs at home, but is governmental monitoring the answer?
Is giving the state the right to come into your home to check up on you the answer?
Does abuse never occur in government controlled settings?
Can the government guarantee that with this program that abuse will not occur?
If it can't, and it can't, then there's absolutely no justification for the smallest bit of this legislation.
I'll bet a similar number of trip and fall deaths occur on staircases. Should the government take initiative to inspect all staircases or offer "Climbing a Staircase" courses?
Please set your animosity towards me aside for a minute. One of the lies that wintertime likes to spread is that "Children are safer at home"
Well the studies I have posted several times show that it is an outright lie.
84% of ALL abuse occurs in a home situation.
Instead of defending her position, she gives her standard non-answer or "well lets take them from the parents and put them in institutions" Which is the logical fallacy of reducto ad absurdium.
She never answers the challenge.
Can I cam 'em or what
Won't answer, can't answer, just makes it into a joke.
I guess your inability to answers tells us quite a bit about you.
Most abuse occurs outside of the government school setting. I will say that is likely correct!
So?...What is the abuse rate per hour?
Kids spend 6 to 7 hours in school, 180 days a year, and many kids ride the bus to and from school for up to 2 to 3 hours a day. How many hours is that?
So..Per hour is the abuse rate higher in the government school or at home.
Answer: I bet it is higher in school or an even wash! ( My guess!)
What percentage of time do children spend at home? Let’s adjust that for age and correlate it to abuse reports. I bet they’re not too different.
Even if kids are not safer at home, tough. The government cannot be allowed to make policies that affect millions of innocent people for the sake of a handle of guilty people. Otherwise, why not just lock everyone up?
I was just point out the absurdity of wintertime's position
I am 100% against government intrusion, and I am 1000% home schooling (Wintertime that is the correct way of spelling that)
I believe I told you on another thread that as a Public school teacher I can give you a list of about 2 dozen students who I would love to see home schooled (Wintertime that is the correct way of spelling that as well)
As a mater of fact I offered to help wintertime take in a number of students from the Frederick Douglas school in Baltimore, so that she could prove how well her system of education works.
She showed us just how serious she was by refusing to do it.
here we go again, another days of public school bashing sneaking into a thread about governmental overreach.
Show us how that doctorate works, do some research.
Back up your opinion with facts. I backed up mine (repeatedly)
of course sine the rate of abuse at school is less then one quarter of the amount at home I am pretty sure you won't be able to, but it would be very nice to see you present facts rather than opinions.
There is the teasing, pushing, kicks, stolen lunch money, the bullying, gossiping, the threats, verbal abuse, and alpha-girl humiliations. Most of this is completely under the radar and never reported.
I personally consider it abusive to herd children into same aged packs. In my opinion this is highly unnatural.
I think it is abusive to make children ask permission to use the restroom. ( Personally, I would **never** work for a company that insisted that I do this).
I think it is abusive to force children who are slow to feel that constant pressure of not being able to keep up with the rest of the class.
I believe it abusive to lock up bright child in a government room and force them to be bored while the other inmates ( oops! “students”) struggle to learn what the bright child likely learned years ago at home.
So???...per hour, which has the higher abuse rate?
My guess is the government school!
Her position does not seem so absurd when legislation like this being proposed.
There’s already ideas being bounced around about all day stuff and medical care and all for *disadvantaged* and *poor inner-city* kids. It sounds like orphanages with go home at night privileges. This is worse.
Sooner or later the definition of “abuse” or “at risk” will be changes to encompass yet more kids. The government NEVER gives up something it gains control of. All that ever happens is that the control expands relentlessly at a logarithmic rate.
Jen I don't want people/ children in government institutions, I said that a good reason for children to send children to school is to look for signs of child abuse or neglect.
Wintertime asked what advantage there was to sending a child to a public school. I offered eight solid reasons. She ignored the other seven and made light of this one.
Public school employees are mandated to repost all signs of child abuse. I have had to do this a number of times. The worst was a girl about 13-14 whose step mother had made a whip out of the bare wires of an extension cord, and left the marks on the girls back.
I offered to give metmom a list of about 2 dozen students that I would love to see home schooled.
What I am against wintertime's constant vilification of the public school system.
Most homeschoolers perfer “homeschooled” to “home schooled”. For one, it is a better term for search engines. When looking for homeschooling resources, a bunch of feel good liberal “Home/School Connection Awareness Programs” just clutter up the search.
Additionally, English has always been welcoming of neologisms and I feel “homeschooled” would be a good one.
Document or retract, all you ever offer is opinion.
I really have to doubt that you have even a bachelors,. I have yet to see you document a single thing
I hated public school, especially junior high.
My abuse rate was FAR higher in school with the aforementioned techniques, that it ever was at home. The only time it wasn’t usually happening at school was when the teachers had the class busy on assignments and the other kids were occupied with their work. Even then, there were the occasional stealth attacks.
The spankings that I got at home (which I well deserved because I pushed the line, and which is considered abuse by social services) were nothing compared to the emotional and psychological warfare perpetrated on my by my peers, who I was forced to associate with every day.
When we were homeschooling, we weren’t sure how far along we’d be able to manage but I vowed one thing, that my kids would NOT go to school before 9th grade. They would NEVER go to junior high.
The problem is, the physical abuse leaves marks and scars that can be seen. The emotional and psychological doesn’t and that’s what leaves the more lasting impression.
And yes, much of that abuse flies under the radar and is not reported because nobody is going to do anything about it.
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