Posted on 07/23/2008 8:22:35 AM PDT by Righting
Perhaps I should explain why I think the difference between the sunni/shia division in islam is important to this issue:
Aside from perhaps misidentifying the ‘candidate’ as shia by using the term 12th Imam...which to me appears to be exclusively a shia term, there’s the conflict between the two sects to consider.
If the ‘candidate’ accepted his arab-african ‘heritage’ from his father Obama Snr, it would be the sunni ‘heritage’ not shia.
Why might this be important to consider?
Because the sunni believe the shia are not fit to live.
If, in his dark heart obama identifies himself as sunni, as superior, as POTUS that would affect his foreign policy decisions. As ‘the great uniter’ his ambition would be to do what the prophecy requires. Unite the sects. And in arab-speak, ‘unite’ means totally subjugate.
[No script or teleprompter and Obama turns into a babbling idiot!]
Yes, I wrote that to you the other day - that even during the debates he would start a comment, stop and go ‘ahh’ and then start on a whole new remark! I never thought he was a good speaker.
I am most interested in the period of the 'moslem revolt' in east africa that resulted in the establishment of the kalifa, the caliphate ruled by the 'Mahdi' - when Gordon was killed in Khartoum. When the British were defeated.
Mahdist Revolt
Main article: Mahdist War
Egyptian mismanagement eventually led to a revolt led by religious leader Muhammad ibn Abdalla, the self-proclaimed Mahdi (Guided One), who sought to purify Islam in Sudan. He led a nationalist revolt against Egyptian/British rule culminating in the fall of Khartoum and the death of the British General Charles George Gordon in 1885. The revolt was successful and Egypt and the British abandoned Sudan, and the resulting state was a theocratic Mahdist state.
arab influence and rule in Africa was sunni...
Shia, and some Sunni differ on the nature of the Mahdi. Shia as well as many Sunni, particularly Sufi Muslims,[2] believe that the Mahdi will appear at end times to bring about a perfect and just Islamic society. Twelver Shia believe the Mahdi will be Muhammad al-Mahdi, the twelfth Imam returned from occultation where he has been hidden by God since 874 AD. In contrast, mainstream Sunnis believe the Mahdi will be named Muhammad, be a descendant of the Prophet and will revive the faith, but will not necessarily be connected with the end of the world.
I posit Hussein sees himself as post-schism transcendent Muslim a la thesis-antithesis-synthesis, from Marx from Hegel from Kant.
In truth Hussein is sophomoric, literally the wise fool, in over his head, lost without his twenty-two speech writers and his Teleprompter, faking his way through a powerwashing of uh-uh-uh-uh, nose up, pronouncing his stutters in erudite phonics not homey ebonics.
I am the one I have been waiting for, says the motherless child of the mother showing mother, the fatherless child of the willing helpmate of JoMauMau Kenyatta, a son of Arab slavers.
Did the big Zero have any women before Michelle the Lockbox. Surely his daddies have been Uncle Frank and Mentor Wright and Father Phlegm, America-hating race-baiting Commies all, all demanding submission to the totalitarianism which is the last HOPE of losers.
In truth Obama is the creation, too, of Alinsky, counsellor of desperation, fellow-traveler of commies (what's mine is mine; what's yours is mine, Comrade). George Soros, sugar daddy, c'mere, kid, gonna make you a star. David Axelrod, shrieking fairy of Madison Avenue with graduate degree in racebaiting.
If you drag a baby through the world's bazaar of hate, he would get sticky-handed and dirty-faced as Big O has done. Ecce O is for Orphan from the Foster Home of Fascist Ideologies:
[unite means totally subjugate.]
Thank you Fred, that is a clear and concise account for those of us who don’t delve into it deeply.
Obama certainly thinks he is superior!
When I make a graphic, I like to have it factual.
YIKES! BRILLIANT!
(I think that about covers it.)
Lol, you must keep all this written on your arm up to the elbow in psychedelic magic markers!!
I read all this and forget, the rest of you read it and remember, maybe I need the markers!
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LOl, looks like you will have an easy evening! I’ll go scout out some threads.
Could you explain who planted this trojan horse, why, and how this has caused Africa to be by far the least civilised continent on the Planet?
There are stories of whole villages being taken captive from South Western England.
I don’t know the reason, but I guess it is similar to the reasoning behind Europeans not throwing off the yoke of Christianity and returning to Odinism or Druidism.
When you are so angry you can't see straight, it's not hard to believe the enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Not really — Druidism or the Nordic religions were primitive, no deep philosophy: quite unlike Zoroastrianism.
fair dinkum, mate. Though, I was talking about the origin of the “Mahdi” idea.
Unfortunately, due to the ruthlessness of Christian censorship in Europe, little of these religions remain. However, there is plenty of evidence that these religions were very complex. Either way, there is no evidence that they were ‘primitive’ (a highly subjective term), just a lack of proof that they wre not. Anyway, depth of philosophy will generally decrease the number of people interested in it, not the reverse. In general, the mob will go for the simplest religions, which is partly (along with force) why Christianity and Islam have been so successful at obtaining believers - any moron can follow them.
No, as I said, there is little remaining literature on Odinism and Druidism, all we have is indirect accounts, such as the Eddas. So we have little evidence that they were or were not ‘primitive’. However, all the Polytheistic religions of the Eurasian land-mass seem to have many similarties, and it is possible that European Polytheism was of similar philosophical depth as, say, Hinduism. This is complicated, though, by the Tantric, Dravidian influence on the latter. I accept, though, that Polytheistic religions are incomparable with the Monotheism of Zoroastorianism. Your point about Odinism being about a ‘series of Gods and their families fighting amongst themselves’ could be applied to Greek Religion and also Hinduism.
It stands to reason, though, that most religions with multiple Gods (Gods for different characters, different attitudes, different philosophies, different instincts) will be more complex than those with one God, and one philosophy, which the truly Religious use to make people obey what they say this God has said. Which was the meaning behind my last point, that the Mob love Moralistic Monotheism because:
A: They can understand it more easily than a truely Artistic, higher religion (for higher people), with multiple Gods and thus multiple layers of philosophy.
B: It allows them Moral power over others. And this is the only power that the weak-willed will ever have. Monotheism tends towards a slave-morality.
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