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That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''
ITulip ^ | 07/21/08

Posted on 07/21/2008 2:57:42 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Concern is growing over the present instability of financial markets among senior officials at the Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve.

The Bank of England


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: fed; financialsystem; govwatch; paulson
The system is fundamentally unsound. Today, as ever before, sons of wild jackasses are coming out to offer scripted reassurances. They are multiplying like jack-rabbits. If you are counting on them to save the day and prevent both the loss of your money, and of its purchasing power, I recommend you put aside at least a few month's cash just in case they prove to be as incompetent and full of sh*t as in previous instances.
1 posted on 07/21/2008 2:57:43 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Uncle Ike; RSmithOpt; jiggyboy; 2banana; Travis McGee; OwenKellogg; 31R1O; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 07/21/2008 2:58:11 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

” ‘’The system is fundamentally sound’’ “

Translation:

“Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!”


3 posted on 07/21/2008 3:02:44 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Sometimes I sets and thinks, and sometimes I jus' sets.........)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It depends on the meaning of "the system" is.

I keep hearing from the left that this current situation proves that the capitalist system is unsound.

4 posted on 07/21/2008 3:03:38 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (American secret agent in enemy territory (Cambridge, MA))
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To: Uncle Ike
The system as a whole is sound....its all the entities that a dysfunctional
5 posted on 07/21/2008 3:18:30 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Darkwolf377
Yes, that is how they want to play it.
We have two problems. On the one side, there is a crowd which vehemently insist that dysfunctional financial market is the gem of free market. On the other side, there is a crowd(red/pinko) who zoom on the dysfunctional financial market and make it the prima-facie evidence that the capitalist system as a whole is dysfunctional.

Actually, the former crowd is unwittingly providing the ammunition for the red/pinko crowd. The former crowd should be spanked.

6 posted on 07/21/2008 3:28:06 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

” Actually, the former crowd is unwittingly providing the ammunition for the red/pinko crowd. “

Which brings rise to my perennial question:

Which is worse — recognizing a problem and offering/potentially applying exactly the wrong ‘solution’, or refusing to recognize the problem out of fear that it might appear to give one’s opponents some political advantage?


7 posted on 07/21/2008 3:31:54 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Sometimes I sets and thinks, and sometimes I jus' sets.........)
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To: Uncle Ike
It is the mess. You know, the two crowds pretty much agree with each other, when the bubble market reaches its end game. Heavy government intervention/nationalization/bail-out/heavy taxes.
8 posted on 07/21/2008 3:38:28 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

” /heavy taxes. “

There’s the point of separation — one side wants to tax our way out of it, while the other just prints more money to inflate our way out of it....

Either way, it leaves us ‘great unwashed’ holding the bag.....


9 posted on 07/21/2008 3:41:37 AM PDT by Uncle Ike (Sometimes I sets and thinks, and sometimes I jus' sets.........)
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To: Uncle Ike

My mattress is more fundamentally sound!


10 posted on 07/21/2008 4:15:16 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus (( commander of the simian host))
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

It took me some time (and the additional “evidence” that more time sometimes provides) for me to agree with our members that have been running to Gold. They were right.

Inflation is what it is today because the Fed under Greenspan and Berneke have abandoned the Fed’s role of maintaining a sound currency and given to themselves the role of attempting to manage “the economy”. They can’t.

The economy - as a set of things that can be improved or harmed by government policy - is more than (more things than) the value of the currency. It is tax policy, spending policies, regulatory policies as well as millions of independent decisions by individuals and corporations alike, as well as decisions, trends and cycles in the world’s markets as well.

Thus, the Fed in its inflated sense of itself can only gin “the economy” against all those internal and external forces, beyond the value of the currency, and only do so by disrespecting the value of the currency and in that disrespect manufacture the conditions (inflation caused not by high interest rates) that require the very termination of their feeble attempts if the currency is to have any value left in it.

The Fed has been told by others outside of itself that it needs to raise interest rates. Banks now give 2.5% on CDs and with inflation running at more than 4% it is no mystery that they are running out of depositors and capital (interest earned by depositors is actually negative when adjusted for inflation).

The Fed’s chairman claims to be worried that higher interest rates will be too “recessionary” while at this very time it is the Fed’s world-inflationary inducing policies (weak dollar) that have created the housing market bubble, housing market bust, credit crunch, and now skyrocketing commodity prices that have already created the “recessionary” conditions he says he wants to avoid.

The truth is that the only thing that will start the correction for the conditions he helped create is the one policy he keeps avoiding - raise the interest rates. Continuation of his easy money policies can at this time neither prevent the inflation he has helped cause or prevent a recession. They can only increase the chances and the length of both. Berneke is a fool.


11 posted on 07/21/2008 5:31:53 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Uncle Ike
"Which brings rise to my perennial question:

Which is worse — recognizing a problem and offering/potentially applying exactly the wrong ‘solution’, or refusing to recognize the problem out of fear that it might appear to give one’s opponents some political advantage?"

Is your question locked into only those two possible answers?

I prefer fixing the problem, but our elected officials will never do that.

12 posted on 07/21/2008 7:57:37 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: Wuli
"Inflation is what it is today because the Fed under Greenspan and Berneke have abandoned the Fed’s role of maintaining a sound currency and given to themselves the role of attempting to manage “the economy”."

This is fundamentally flawed reasoning on your part.

Here is where you went wrong:

"..the Fed’s role of maintaining a sound currency.."

First; get the Fed's role properly defined, then everything else will be easy.

13 posted on 07/21/2008 8:03:41 AM PDT by Designer (We are SO scrood!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Nice summary by Volcker. The system is most definitely not sound. It’s completely broken. I just don’t know how bad the suffering will be.


14 posted on 07/21/2008 5:49:09 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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