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Posted on 07/20/2008 7:23:09 AM PDT by wintertime
The fact that charter schools have posted some of the highest state test scores among Buffalo schools this year speaks to the validity of what was once considered an educational experiment. As recently reported, a couple of city-based charter schools posted math and English test results among the best of any schools in Erie and Niagara counties — and charter schools significantly outperformed the city’s traditional public schools.
Tapestry, South Buffalo, Elmwood Village and Buffalo United consistently ranked in the Top 10 among all Buffalo schools in the recent math and English tests. Community, Westminster and Pinnacle schools appeared in the Top 10 several times.
Not all charter schools are created equal. A couple of years ago the State University of New York closed Stepping Stone Charter School, and Sankofa Charter School was closed at the end of this school year.
But the validation of the experiment in alternative school structures and education practices continues — the point of the charter school initiative, in the first place. Charter schools operate under far fewer constraints on personnel and scheduling, providing more time on task while allowing music, arts and physical education. There’s also an emphasis on tests that make or break a school as the main criteria for renewal.
Charter schools still have their critics, and recruiting and maintaining enrollment is a universal struggle. But competition should be feared only by the uncompetitive, and charter schools still can serve not only as good educational institutions but as laboratories for the development of best educational practices. That was the challenge they were set; it appears that, for the most part, they are passing the test.
(Excerpt) Read more at buffalonews.com ...
I'm sitting here laughing as well. You have no clue what I am talking about, do you? And you talk about the debating techniques of the "public school defenders?"
Too funny by far.
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You need to explain this. It is either a public school that is attended by the public or it is a Private/ Parochial school.
Your contention makes no sense.
You still have not addressed the issue of how "government style schools" are able to do such a good job turning out members of the Military, Police, Firefighters, etc.....
You also have not addressed why someone should send children to a charter school that only performs at an average level on par with schools outside of the city.
You are not being consistent and you are not being logical.
Parks are “public”. Anyone can attend. Mc Donalds is open to the public. There are public golf courses etc.
Government schools are **highly** restricted usually to a neighborhood, but sometimes you have to be the proper color or non-color to qualify. Unlike public parks or McDonalds individual government schools are not open to any ole’ child. Oh...And there a big consequences for any parent who tries to sneak their child in.
Yep. School districts in NJ are militant about enforcing district boundaries. Each little rinky dink town must have its own local schools, police, fire department, with no consolidation of services at the county level. No wonder our taxes are so high!
Government schools are **highly** restricted usually to a neighborhood, but sometimes you have to be the proper color or non-color to qualify. Unlike public parks or McDonalds individual government schools are not open to any ole’ child. Oh...And there a big consequences for any parent who tries to sneak their child in.
Move into the district and your child can go. Some Public schools allow the children of it's faculty to attend regardless of residency and others charge a nominal tuition (because you are a non resident utilizing services)
but sometimes you have to be the proper color or non-color to qualify.
Please explain this statement and give examples.
I am still waiting for you to address those other items.
How are police, Members of the Armed services, etc... able to do such a good job when they are trained by the same government in the same type of schools?
Why would you send your child to a charter schools that only performs on par with other public schools? Where is the advantage?
I am going to keep asking these questions until you answer them to my satisfaction.
Government schools are **NOT** “public”. The word “public” implies freely open. Government schools are certainly not that! Instead the children ( for the most part) are strictly assigned by government bureaucrats.
A few lucky children escape the bureaucrats iron willed school assignment. These parents can afford to ransom their children from the government grip by paying extra in private school tuition. Some parents can afford d homeschooling, or were lucky to win admission to a charter school, or magnet school for their children.
I just love it when some government school defenders casually suggests that the parents move! Wow! Talk about a drastic way to choose a school! Just sell the house, buy a new house, move all the household goods, make new friends, and possibly need to find new employment, and absorb all the costs of moving... And...for some parents’ suggesting that they move is like Marie Antoinette telling the peasants to eat cake!
Government schools are definitely NOT public like a golf course or the local park beach.
When I was working on one of my Masters degrees I understood exactly what he meant.
Move into the district and your child can go.
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Just move! Wow! That just rolls of the keyboard, doesn’t it?
And you have proof of any of this?
Seattle is an example. The Supreme Court just ruled that the government school gestapo can **not** assign children to schools by race. So...The Seattle government bureaucrats will assure that there is a proper mix of race by using income and socio-economic status. Geeze! This doesn't sound "public". It sounds like the government sort people like colored marbles!
How are police, Members of the Armed services, etc... able to do such a good job when they are trained by the same government in the same type of schools?
That a government school is "good" is not the issue.
ALL government schools trample First Amendment Rights and freedom of consciences. Most ( even the "good" ones) sort kids like colored marbles on a Monopoly board. Those in Park Ave can only go to Park Ave. Those on Boardwalk better stay on Boardwalk. If they dare to wander off their government assigned government school plantation, the master will send out the police. ( Literally!)
Why would you send your child to a charter schools that only performs on par with other public schools? Where is the advantage?
As a homeschooler I find it hard why any functional parent would institutionalize their kid for his education. You would have to ask those who use charter schools directly, because I can't speak for them.
I am going to keep asking these questions until you answer them to my satisfaction.
Ask away! There aren't any school police around to force their will on me.
I do notice that Ms. “minimum security prison look” in regard to public schools has totally avoided my post #42 to her.
I don’t know why, it is a very straight forward and simple question. Which of the 2 building in the pictures depicted looks more like a prison????
That's the same thing that's led to the "Corridor of Shame" in S.C.
Some little bitty counties have several school districts, each with its own board, superintendent, etc...so most of the money is going for administration instead of instruction.
The funny thing is, at least some of them like it that way, because it gives them more "local control" over the educational system.
You made an unequivocal declarative statement for which I asked for proof. You have only provided proof for ONE school district. Therefore we are back on you claiming personal opinion as proof.
BTW, I asked you an honest and upfront question in post #42, why have you not answered it? You pinged me to this thread saying all opinions are welcome, did you not?
You know, of course, that under NCLB, if your child’s school is failing you have the right to transfer him or her to a non-failing school?
I don't even need that reason. I don't need a reason to transfer to a different school at all. Granted, first priority is given to those with an NCLB reason, but no reason is needed.
And...Isn't it true that the school chosen by the parents has to have space available? That has been an issue in our state. And...In our state very few schools are actually sooooo bad that they are rated as failing.
If you feel that strongly about it you find a way to fix it.
More later about the rest of your lack of response.
BTW - a link to YOUR google search is not proof either.
Many of the articles I read, do not upohold what you claim the decision did. In fact my own reading of the decision does not uphold what you claim it does.
But what do I know, you’re the one with all the fancy science degrees and prodigy children, I’m just someone that has spent the past 25+ years working in the legal and legislative arenas and send my poor child to an institution.
Please pardon me.
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