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Father badly beaten after trying to protect daughter at Valleyfair
KARE11 ^ | July 15, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 07/15/2008 12:53:29 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy

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To: brwnsuga
The assailants are Black. There was no report on the race of the victims as far as I know. IF the victims are Black, then the crime is just as heinous as if the victims are White. No difference. And that makes a good point-- if a crime like this is committed by White people against a Black person, then there is automatically talk of Hate Crime charges and various "community leaders: (i.e. race pimps) get involved and the Black city councilpersons get on TV and make their disgusting comments and attempts are made to somehow make all White people feel guilty etc. ad naseum.

On the other hand, if it is Black perps and a White victim, then it is just viewed as a "normal" assault without any charges of Hate Crimes. That's why I feel Hate Crimes Laws are rascist by their very nature and should be taken off the books.

101 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:17 PM PDT by San Jacinto
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To: Hot Tabasco

Eight guys are stomping one guy and you are in a ‘firearms-free’ venue. How are you going to intervene? Especially if the victim is already out of the fight. Now it’s 8 on one, and you are the 1.

Get a handful of guys to go with you (2 or 3 extra is really all it would take) and now their odds are not so overwhelming.


102 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:22 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: brwnsuga

I just don’t think white kids are allowed to run in packs like that these days. And there aren’t that many out trying to pimp out girls at the amusement parks. I challenge you to refute that.


103 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Didn’t the article say the assault happened around midnight? Normally those parks really clear out by that time as most parents want to get their kids home before then. I’m assuming there was at least one woman there as she was punched by one of the perps.


104 posted on 07/15/2008 2:18:47 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: brwnsuga
Why? Because we're not deluded by the veil of PC brainwashing that afflicts you.

We constantly see bogus white on black so-called hate crimes like the "Duke lacrosse rape case" trumpeted to the high heavens 24/7 on every darn channel......

Then we see real crimes like the "Knoxville Horror" where a pair of white teens are kidnapped, raped, and tortured to death in the most barbaric way imaginable and......

Nothing. Not a peep. It doesn't fit your PC template, so, the media simply doesn't cover it.

That's what we're sick of, brown sugar. The double standard.

Oh, and by the way, if you're not familiar with the FBI stats on the instance of violent white on black crime compared to black on white crime, it might interest you to look them up. They are quite eye-opening.

105 posted on 07/15/2008 2:19:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
That was my impression as well. The father didn't start a fight with a gang, he just yelled at two guys when one of them groped his 12 year old daughter's butt. I don't know if I would have had the restraint to only yell at them.

If I were not packing, I'd have herded my wife and/or daughter away and just tried to get out of there. Did you see the mug shots of those dudes? Best not to mess with them. If I saw a dude or two like those guys approaching me, I'd be reaching into my pocket getting ready to do a fast-draw. If I didn't have a weapon, I'd consider myself outnumbered and out gunned and would decide discretion was the better part of valor.

106 posted on 07/15/2008 2:19:27 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte
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To: brwnsuga

As far as I’m concerned RACISM is a matter of intentionally harming someone who’s INNOCENT physically or verbally because of their race.

No one here as far as I can tell is operating on that level. People are thinking in terms of SELF-PRESERVATION and FACTS.


107 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:16 PM PDT by Transformers
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To: Skooz

I’m still trying to understand why any crime becomes an issue of race. I think what happened to this family is horrible, no matter their race. But because the perps have “ethnic” names people start ragging on diversity and black people. I know tons of black teenagers who make good grades and a fine members of my community. I know black boy scouts, cheerleaders, athletes, student leaders, what the hell do these a-holes have to do with black people in general?


108 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:34 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I don't disagree; however, it is really sad that this country has gotten to the point that sometimes the best chance for justice is prison gang rape.

Yet, oh so predictable to everyone except the asshats we keep putting in office. When things slip too far, God bless the people who still know to fight. In the end, it may only be you and yours to protect yourself, your family and the things and people you love.

109 posted on 07/15/2008 2:21:53 PM PDT by E. Cartman (Just say "No" to mug-whores.)
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To: ichabod1

Well then someone needs to tell the white skater boys and goths that go down my street they are not supposed to run in packs. I’m not really aware of a race of teenager that doesn’t run in a “pack”.


110 posted on 07/15/2008 2:23:29 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Sans-Culotte

I imagine the father thought he was just dealing with some teenagers, and talked to them like a parent, but it turned out they were a bunch of thuggish gangsters, and they wanted to show him they didn’t give a shiz if he was a parent, so they went jungle on his a—. I can see how it happened. It’s this culture that doesn’t lock up and throw away the key, that TOLERATES this kind of behavior, it just begets more of it.


111 posted on 07/15/2008 2:24:24 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I'd have herded my wife and/or daughter away and just tried to get out of there. Did you see the mug shots of those dudes?

Have you ever thought about standing up like man.

112 posted on 07/15/2008 2:24:49 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: brwnsuga

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I have to agree with brwnsuga.

When I posted this story, my only thought was that it was a heinous crime that should be publicized, not that it was a race story.

We now know the race of the perps. As far as I know, the names or race of the victim and his daughter have not been released. Maybe this was a racial attack, maybe it was not. There is not enough information to know. To assume that this was a racial attack or to make comments to the effect that the race of the perps explains the crime makes Freepers look like a bunch of racists.

These are thugs. I don’t care if they are white thugs or black thugs. It pisses me off when Jackson or Sharpton assume that any white on black crime is a race based hate crime and it should justifiably piss off blacks when whites do the same thing in reverse.

Yeah, these perps lived down to the worst racial stereotypes of blacks. Some of the comments on this thread live down to the worst stereotypes of conservatives.

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113 posted on 07/15/2008 2:25:12 PM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (DNC = Do Nothing Congress)
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To: bereanway

4th of July, not sure what time the fireworks were around that area (10:00 - 10:30PM?) plus getting an ice cream or something afterwards and it could pretty easily get to close to midnight without noticing.

Even if the victim were to die, I don’t think MN has the death penalty, which is a shame as the killer of Dru Sjodin and these winners would all be great candidates for old sparky.

I’m still astonished that they were out on such a low bail. Wonder who the judge was.


114 posted on 07/15/2008 2:25:29 PM PDT by xDGx
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To: brwnsuga
Why is it that because I don’t believe this is a race issue, but a crime issue, I’m supposed to be deluded. When the story broke about the young lady suing Nascar for racial discrimination alot of FR had no sympathy, some even went as far as to question the young lady’s story. I love to Freep, but I know which threads are going to piss me off eventually, because every closet racist crawls out of the woodwork.

Of course it's a race issue. Have you not seen the crime statistics for young black men?

Anyone of any race who perpetrates a crime like this is a subhuman -- black, white, or Asian. If you neglect to notice, though, that black men are committing the most heinous crimes wayyyy out of proportion to their percent of the population, you're part of the problem just as much as a dumb white liberal who argues for short jail sentences.

You can think I'm a racist if you want -- I really don't care. I'd rather live in a world surrounded by Thomas Sowells and Walter Williamses than white trash in wife beaters with their underwear sticking out, but I will not ignore the friggin TRUTH that is staring you and me in the face -- the violent crime problem is largely a young black male crime problem.

115 posted on 07/15/2008 2:26:42 PM PDT by SeafoodGumbo
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To: LetsRok
Sounds like the Dad wrote a check with his mouth that his butt couldn’t cash.

So the proper thing for him to have done is to slink away, begging them to stop groping his little girl?

Maybe that's the answer for the "New Castrati", but thank God there are still some MEN out there who take the safety and honor of their families seriously.

This guy had a choice: to handle this situation on his feet...or on his knees. Either of his choices would have been remembered buy his daughter FOREVER.

Personally, I commend him for making the right choice. Now, besides mine, there is at least one more little girl out there who knows that her daddy will ALWAYS be there to protect her, no matter what.

I'd say that Dad cashed that check just fine.

116 posted on 07/15/2008 2:28:39 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (Hey John! We're NOT your effing "friends"!)
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To: brwnsuga
I’m still trying to understand why any crime becomes an issue of race. I think what happened to this family is horrible, no matter their race. But because the perps have “ethnic” names people start ragging on diversity and black people. I know tons of black teenagers who make good grades and a fine members of my community. I know black boy scouts, cheerleaders, athletes, student leaders, what the hell do these a-holes have to do with black people in general?

Good points all.

Honestly, I think it is exasperation at the media (it is in my case, anyway).

I think it is because the widespread occurance of black on white crime is being ignored not only in the media, but by society at large. No one dares say anything about it because to do so would be to invite the ugly and unshakable label of "racist."

That leads to frustration. It's the elephant in the room everyone is too scared to point out.

117 posted on 07/15/2008 2:28:44 PM PDT by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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To: brwnsuga

I think it’s that we feel that black thugs have been allowed to hide behind the skirts of the civil rights movement, and call the people they beat “racists” and get away with murder, and like the general muslim population keeps quiet about terrisn, you don’t find very much of the black community speaking out about situations like this. We have to figure it’s because most black people figure whitey got it coming.


118 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:21 PM PDT by ichabod1 (If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it.)
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To: Travis McGee

I will admit there is a disparity with 86% of whites being murdered by whites and 94% blacks being murdered by blacks according to the US Dept. of Justice, but I could not see how, just because these knuckleheads had ethnic names, the story became an indictment of blacks in general. The post starting it out questioning these perp’s names and escalating from there.


119 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:52 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!!)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Is concealed carry allowed in that place? if so then they should have been given some lead in the head which would have taken care of the criminals who should have been locked up in the first place.
120 posted on 07/15/2008 2:31:52 PM PDT by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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