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"Numbers USA" (Anti-Illegal Aliens Group) Announces CONSTITUTION PARTY Has Best Candidate on Issue
Numbers USA ^ | 12 July 2008 | AmericanInTokyo

Posted on 07/12/2008 12:34:59 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

This non-partisan, national grassroots lobbying organization working day and night on issues pertaining to border sovereignty, recently updated their online 2008 Presidential Candidates score card.

On a variety of (15) issues relating to Immigration, the group ranked Presidential Candidate CHUCK BALDWIN of the US Constitution Party, as "EXCELLENT" in all categories.

Coming in second place with a high report card was Libertarian Party's CONGRESSMAN BOB BARR.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 2008; aliens; amnesty; baldwin; barr; borders; chuckbaldwin; constitutionparty; elections; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationlist; numbersusa; roybeck; thirdparty
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To: ozarkgirl

.....It’s about time we had a choice ....

I can’t deny that is the position of choice. It is however not reality. Conservatives failed to find and promote a candidate able to achieve the nomination.

While it is true that a new game can and even must be started, we are still playing the current game and many have chosen not to play. They thus become irrelevant in the Presidential election.


81 posted on 07/13/2008 11:05:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Conservation? Let the NE Yankees freeze.... in the dark)
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To: ozarkgirl; kabar

kabar deserves all the credit for that line. Brilliant in my opinion.


82 posted on 07/13/2008 11:10:26 AM PDT by afnamvet
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To: bert

I think the Republican Party deliberately squashed the conservative vote, how can I vote for a party that would do that? They thought they needed the moderate (or as I call them..uninformed) voters more than they need me. Fine, if they think they can do it without me (collectively conservatives) then go for it. McCain has made it clear he has contempt for and does not need my vote. If it means so much to him, then I will let him get his wish not vote for him.


83 posted on 07/13/2008 11:49:18 AM PDT by ozarkgirl (If McCain can vote on the basis of principle and conscience over party, so can I.)
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To: Kimberly GG

bttt


84 posted on 07/13/2008 12:30:10 PM PDT by Guenevere (America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

agree


85 posted on 07/13/2008 12:37:21 PM PDT by Guenevere (America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease)
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To: B4Ranch

If you ponder it for a second, disaster is a function of time. If given enough time, people are able to adjust so much that disaster just becomes an annoyance at worst.

Right now, economically, the world has been gorging itself on easy credit since WWII. In a manner of speaking, economies all over the world have become morbidly obese. So is it really a disaster to return to eating a reasonable amount and losing all that bloat in the process?

For years, I’ve suggested the concept of “imaginary money”, as opposed to “real money”.

Real money is what we typically think of in economics: currency based on the value of real goods and services.

Imaginary money, on the other hand, is leveraged money, at first, speculative inflation of real goods and services; but then, leveraged money based only on other leveraged money, by two or three factors.

Say you own a house worth $100k. Then you go to a bank to get a loan, using that house as collateral. Nonsensically, the bank is willing to loan you $1M on just $100k collateral. Out of the blue, they have “created” $900k in imaginary money. But then speculators see that $1M loan on the banks books, and extend a line of credit to the bank for future loans worth $10M.

So based on $100k or real value, $9.9M of imaginary money has been created. This simplified version of grotesque excess was to blame for the Savings & Loan crisis. And it also severely dampened Japan’s economy for two decades. At one point, 2/3rds of Tokyo buildings were used as collateral in this pyramid scheme.

It works that way for government as well. Our entire economy is evaluated not on real money, but imaginary money.

Say the tax rate is a mere 10%. Someone pays you a dollar, so you owe the government a dime. But when you spend that dollar, whoever gets it also owes a dime. In just ten transactions, the entire dollar is supposed to be paid in taxes. But keep going. In twenty transactions, twice the real value of that dollar will be owed, so another dollar of imaginary money has been created.

That is why the strength of our economy as a whole is based not in real money, but imaginary money created by transactions. There is only enough real paper money to cover perhaps a 20th or a 50th the number of imaginary dollars out there, that only exist on computers and ledgers.

The number of US mints would have to triple and run continually to produce enough paper money for all dollar transactions. Million dollar bank notes would be common.

But again, this is economics based on gorging ourselves. By being forced to only use real money instead of imaginary money, we achieve a much more realistic economy. Government still gets tax revenue, but can only spend what it brings in, because no one will loan them the money to overspend.

The same with people. If you have money to buy things, then you can buy things. But no buying on credit unless you have more than 100% collateral. Real collateral. This is the way economics is supposed to work, not the fantasy world we have been living in for 60 or so years.

They built a world with easy credit, but on condition that we pay back the loans they took out.

Given enough time, we can handle it. But we will have to be responsible with our money, and stop gorging ourselves on easy credit. We can stand to lose a few hundred pounds of fat.


86 posted on 07/13/2008 12:48:10 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: ozarkgirl

I like your new tagline.


87 posted on 07/13/2008 1:13:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

You should teach finance. I have heard everything you’re saying but you simplify it all very well.


88 posted on 07/13/2008 1:15:51 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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To: dragnet2

Uh, name someone not evil. The CP is perhaps more evil than McCain because the CP would rather have Obama than McCain just the way they preferred Gore and Kerry to Bush. This is unforgivable.


89 posted on 07/13/2008 1:53:29 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: B4Ranch
I like your new tagline.

:) Thanks, I like it too. And I like yours as well, so true.

90 posted on 07/13/2008 2:02:06 PM PDT by ozarkgirl (If McCain can vote on the basis of principle and conscience over party, so can I.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
So based on $100k or real value, $9.9M of imaginary money has been created.

Ummmm, the $100k's not real either... it's all a collective illusion.

91 posted on 07/13/2008 6:36:15 PM PDT by GOPJ (When your ideology makes no sense it costs more to sell. Freeper ArmstedFragg)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
You leveled a serious charge.

Now it is your responsibility, here on FR, to present solid evidence of any statement, platform, plank, or other verifiable source, to confirm your assertion you just made here on FR that "The Constitution Party is for electing Obama".

Can you prove this? Please provide it. Thank you. Many will be waiting.

92 posted on 07/13/2008 11:06:01 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Accepting the REALITY & trying to reverse America's slow global economic decline, is true patriotism)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Just wait until you hear their ads against McCain. They will clearly be trying to convince voters that McCain is more dangerous than Obama. They did it against Bush. They did not run against Gore and Kerry, they ran against Bush.

What other conclusion could one come to than they would rather see the Democrat elected.

You may think the CP is more virtuous than the Republican party but I'm telling you that they aren't.

93 posted on 07/14/2008 5:23:19 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Well, we just have a difference of opinion, and there is not a great deal that can be done about that.


94 posted on 07/14/2008 8:26:41 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Accepting the REALITY & trying to reverse America's slow global economic decline, is true patriotism)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Baldwin is an anti-American kook who associates with white supremacists and wants to cut and run from Iraq. The CP is filled with like-minded individuals of unsavory beliefs.


95 posted on 07/15/2008 5:56:02 AM PDT by robert david (John McCain = America's last hope)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Any vote other than for John McCain is for Obama. Get it?


96 posted on 07/15/2008 6:28:08 AM PDT by robert david (John McCain = America's last hope)
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To: robert david

shove it, newbie troll


97 posted on 07/15/2008 6:50:21 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Accepting the REALITY & trying to reverse America's slow global economic decline, is true patriotism)
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To: robert david
Joined FR in the last two weeks, eh, to badmouth Conservative alternatives to your GOP from the cesspit basement you are operating out of, eh?
98 posted on 07/15/2008 6:52:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Accepting the REALITY & trying to reverse America's slow global economic decline, is true patriotism)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

An amazing counter argument. Congratulations.


99 posted on 07/15/2008 6:59:08 AM PDT by robert david (John McCain = America's last hope)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Cesspit basement? Do you mean my extravagant condo?
100 posted on 07/15/2008 7:02:53 AM PDT by robert david (John McCain = America's last hope)
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