Posted on 07/09/2008 5:54:28 PM PDT by neverdem
it may be the only way to get someone who is not a democrat in NY
Sorry Ed. I love you but a third party would only be successful if its leadeship was not interested in using tax dollars to support their lifestyles. In NY that political animal is as extinct as (fill in any appropriate extinct species).
Good luck to Koch with that! Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver
is as bad as it gets.
I may not have agreed with Ed some time on may issues, I respect the man for his ability to speak his mind and stick to it and the reasons behind it. Sounds like a good idea, don’t think it will be anything close to conservative but anything right now would be an improvement
I don’t recall giving permission for this Quixotic quest! LOL.
(It was about some question he didn't understand on Church teaching that he mentioned as an aside to a caller on his WABC radio show, probably early 90s.)
Don’t you have to have 2 parties before you can have 3?
this is not a viable way to get someone in NY who isn’t a democrat.
the only viable way would be for the state GOP to get its act together, which at this point may not be a viable way...
Koch isn’t the first, or the fiftieth, to get this idea in NY State, which is rife with corrupt dumb third parties
New York already has several parties in addition to the Democrat and Republican parties: the Conservative Party, the Working Families Party, the Independent Party, the Libertarian Party, to name a few.
To be fair and not create a center party of fickle swing voting politicians it would be better to divide the political spectrum into 4 parties, not 3. From left to right the top vote getters would likely be the Socialists, Democrats, Republicans, and Conservatives. A law that reserved a small but equal fraction of the seats to the top 4 vote getting parties might induce that. Or a public campaign finance law that granted equal amounts to the 4 top parties would help. I’m not a fan of public financing but we need some incentive. Monopolies of any kind are bad and duopolies not much better.
**Don’t you have to have 2 parties before you can have 3?**
2 parties in NY would be nice. actually there are .. Liberal, Left of Liberal, Moderately Right of Stalin, and Stalin is a Rightwinger Party.
I today have seen Liberal and Sanity in the same sentence. Who’da THUNK it?
but the chance the state GOP will get its act together is...nil.
And if the best they can do is the idea of Rudy for governor then it is no different than a 3rd party.
What he is talking about is actually a reform of the Democratic Party. NY is Governed by down-state Democrats and the Public Sector Unions mentioned here. SEIU and CSEA are more powerful than any elected group. THey will use their muscle and money to kill any reform which hurts their interests.
I want Rudy to go far, far away. Maybe Mexico or Qatar, where I understand he has clients
NY certainly shouldn’t be governed from upstate, which is basically a dying money sponge
New York liberals are generally more pragmatic & sane than far left West Coast hippie types
btt
NY Upstate is dying because we are supporting a NY City designed welfare, tort, environmental, public sector system in an area without the population and tax base to support it.
Take the NY State laws on brownfields, for example. There is extreme liability placed on new owners for any environmental issues on the land, regardless of who caused it. This is fine in NY City, where developers can/will pay to clean up marginal land (NY City never had heavy industry anyway) given they can build 40 story condos on it later. Here in Upstate though, no one in their right mind would consider trying to renovate old industrial land of any kind. Same with the Wicks law designed for the benefit of downstate-run unions.
Same with the NY State Power authority that uses Upstate hydro-power to fund NY City Public housing at greatly reduced rates
There are a million examples.
What would be best is if Upstate and the Counties of NY City could be completely seperated into different entities. Make NY City a district, like Washington DC.
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