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China’s Second Pebble Bed Reactor Steam Plant; World’s Third Commercial HTGR
greenoptions.com ^ | 03 July 2008 | By Rod Adams

Posted on 07/07/2008 6:13:51 AM PDT by Red Badger

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China is waaaaay ahead and on the nuclear ball ......so to speak................
1 posted on 07/07/2008 6:13:51 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger

jane fonda’s movie agiprop

and three mile island

destroyed our nuclear industry.


2 posted on 07/07/2008 6:16:04 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: ken21

If you carry this out to the logical extreme, PBR could power every home in the USA with an outside unit that sits next to your home’s AC compressor..............or power your car for next to nothing...............


3 posted on 07/07/2008 6:19:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: Red Badger

Shhhhhh. You’ll wake up congress.


4 posted on 07/07/2008 6:24:10 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Red Badger

I thought South Africa had one of these up and running 15-20 years ago.....


5 posted on 07/07/2008 6:25:14 AM PDT by Zman (Liberals: denying reality since Day One.)
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To: Red Badger

i don’t know much about it.

but if what you say is true,

that would be too easy!

the liberal-socialists want life to be more difficult than that for us.


6 posted on 07/07/2008 6:26:40 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: Red Badger
"or power your car for next to nothing"

Technology so old, it's new again!


7 posted on 07/07/2008 6:28:00 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel
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To: Red Badger

I like that idea.


8 posted on 07/07/2008 6:32:58 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: ken21
...three mile island

destroyed our nuclear industry.

...which is ironic, since Three Mile Island was largely a success story of nuclear power plant design. Even with multiple failures and errors, there were no injuries or deaths.

None.

I call that a success story when you're talking about a meltdown.

9 posted on 07/07/2008 6:36:32 AM PDT by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn't make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: Zman
South Africa's PBR company is GOVERNMENT OWNED.........need I say more?................
10 posted on 07/07/2008 6:36:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: ken21

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pebble_bed_reactor


11 posted on 07/07/2008 6:38:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: Red Badger
The sierra club type kooks shut down Ft St.Vrain generating plant through lies and fear. Ft. St. Vrain was cooled by Helium and if it all leaked out would have had the a radiation exposure of 14 X-rays. This plant and technology provided cheap energy for Colorado until the green-terrorists forced Public Service Company of Colorado to shut it down.
12 posted on 07/07/2008 6:41:11 AM PDT by mountainlion
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To: Red Badger
My Energy Manifesto:

* Cease all ethanol production. It takes away from food production and the unintended consequence is higher food costs. As diesel prices go up, the cost of farming tips the balance of cost to make ethanol a bad idea. Just say "no" to ethanol! Even Jimmy Carter says that diverting farm production from food to fuel is dumb – even HE gets it. This will create only ONE "blend" of gasoline and will cease regional "boutique" blends (gasohols) which are stupid, costly, and meaningless. Trucking custom blends around the country is wasteful. Ethanol blends may actually lead to fewer miles to the gallon, and adds to the cost of production and transportation. Newer cars do not need oxygenated fuels.

* Lift the restrictions in order to drill for oil in Alaska, Gulf of Mexico, and other sites in the CONUS as a matter of national security.

* Encourage the petro industry to construct state-of-the-art refineries and/or retrofit current and dormant ones and crank up production for our newly-accessed oil in the CONUS.

* Make all “carbon credit” scams unlawful. Discrediting Algore should have been a slam-dunk a long time ago. Stop electing Reps who buy into the Global Warming / Global Cooling / Climate Change Hoax. CO2 is not our enemy!

* Construct SEVERAL, regional Pebble-Bed Modular Reactors (or other similar modern designs) that are rechargeable, and cleaner than any current nuclear generator design. Refine spent nuke fuel for recycling. DO SOMETHING NUCLEAR to resolve energy problems.

* Use the residual heat from the reactors above to process motor fuel from coal and/or shale. Even though Clinton "stole" some of the best coal reserves, we still have a lot to use.

* Become independent enough to make the cartels (i.e. OPEC) inconsequential.

* Lift or cap the tax on gasoline. When the tax is higher than the profit margin, the argument over what is “obscene” becomes moot.

* List (chapter and verse) all the regulations and laws that need to be repealed in order to drill, and drill now. Use this list as the new "Contract With America for Energy Independence". Have a mega-bill (Omnibus Package) introduced that in one fell swoop removes the self-imposed energy embargo.

If you squint real hard, and read between the lines, the ‘manifesto’ will require fewer RINOs and LibDems and the election of some clear-minded conservatives to even consider the above.

13 posted on 07/07/2008 6:42:19 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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PBR’s are the cleanest, safest, most economical and easiest to produce of any nuclear reactor ever designed...........That’s why they won’t be made here.............


14 posted on 07/07/2008 6:45:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: TChris

Prediction;

The more we see serious interest in nuclear in the US, the more times the movie “The China Syndrome” will be re-run on TV.


15 posted on 07/07/2008 6:46:01 AM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: Red Badger

I’ll believe it when I see it. Helium, which is the coolant / heat transfer medium, is very difficult to work with. The engineering problems associated with making a helium-cooled reactor practical are formidable. The German project and the Ft St Vrain high-temperature gas-cooled reactor in Colorado are no longer running for a reason (and that reason is not those pesky Sierra Clubbers).


16 posted on 07/07/2008 6:47:47 AM PDT by bagman
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The nice thing about the Pebble Bed Modular Reactor concept, is that you can just keep adding self-contained 100 MW modules.

The biggest single cost of building a nuke plant is getting the site prepped and all the approvals signed off on. You can do all that with one module, start generating early in the process, and add modules over time. The modules are constructed in a central manufacturing facility and shipped to the nuke plant for installation, so if one plant hits a last minute regulatory snag, the module can just be shipped to another plant

17 posted on 07/07/2008 6:51:29 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: bagman

Nitrogen or CARBON DIOXIDE (gasp!) can be used as the coolant gas, too.................


18 posted on 07/07/2008 6:51:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: Zman; xcamel; steelyourfaith; Reform Canada; sionnsar; neverdem
I worked on the South African detail design version of the pebble bed reactor: beautifully elegant continuous refueling system where they recycle the fuel pellets through the reactor while its operating. This means there are many fewer shutdowns required to move and relocate old fuel tubes, and reload new fuel bundles into old slots. The whole “mix” stays homogenous, so the core loading is more even.

Didn't know thorium could be used in the graphite: this resolves several issues with the older Pu breeding liquid metal reactors.

Which can also breed more fuel than they use, another permanent electric power solution.

That the democrats killed, and the republicans are ignoring.

19 posted on 07/07/2008 6:52:25 AM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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PEBBLE BED PING.

If you’re interested in lower cost — relative to conventional nukes — electric energy, GET ALL OVER YOUR UNINFORMED CONGRESS CRITTERS ABOUT THIS TECHNOLOGY and DEMAND that they get up to speed on this before the Chinese and others get farther ahead of us than France now is.

If, however, you’d prefer to swelter in the dark in the summer or freeze in the dark this winter, do nothing.


20 posted on 07/07/2008 6:52:56 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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