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Marine sniper defends his actions [Hearing for Sgt John Winnick concludes]
North County Times ^ | July 2, 2008 | MARK WALKER

Posted on 07/02/2008 2:26:25 PM PDT by RedRover

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To: bigheadfred

* snicker *


61 posted on 07/02/2008 7:36:58 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
Wish there had been another—of a celebration. That case was just heartbreaking for everyone involved (everyone in a white hat, that is).

Mega dittos to that, Red.
62 posted on 07/02/2008 7:42:44 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: freema

Thanks, Ma. I hadn’t connected him but now I remember him. He’s up in it alright, to his chin.


63 posted on 07/02/2008 7:59:21 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover
That’s a good question about who advised LtGen Helland. As far as I know, it’d have been Riggs. I believe Ewers is on to higher things.

As of May (when Judge Folsom was determining his UCI ruling in Lt. Col. Chessani's case), Col. Ewers was still SJA for 1-MEF reporting to Lt. Gen. Helland. Lt. Col. Riggs was the SJA for MARCENT reporting to Helland. I don't know which command Sgt. Winnick's case fell under. But Col. Ewers was still around when charges were preferred by Helland.

According to Judge Folsom, Lt. Gen. Helland relied on Col. Ewers for decisions that were not his business. On page 19 of the Chessani UCI ruling, the judge indicates that Helland approached Ewers for advice on a seperate Haditha case. It was not Ewers' business. It was Riggs, since he was SJA for MARCENT.
64 posted on 07/02/2008 8:10:38 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

I haven’t seen the spring promotion list, but word was that Ewers was up for brigadier general. Don’t know what effect that’d have on his billet.


65 posted on 07/03/2008 3:44:11 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Girlene

I haven’t seen the spring promotion list, but word was that Ewers was up for brigadier general. Don’t know what effect that’d have on his billet, but I assumed it would change.


66 posted on 07/03/2008 3:45:07 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Girlene

Girlene, you do such fantastic legwork, how about coming over and taking a look at mine? At least hold my hand and “Pat” me on the head when they stick that big needle in my knee. I asked Red, but all he could do was *snicker*.


67 posted on 07/03/2008 6:12:40 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: RedRover

Shouldn’t Ewers get a battlefield promotion for testifying in or about the Chessani case? That alone should “net” ( A Navy term I learned from Lily) him his first star.


68 posted on 07/03/2008 6:17:38 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: xzins

Well I think we can agree to disagree. I think no matter what he says (or doesn’t) he will be hated by someone. But fundamentally, whether people see it as such or not, I think the president saying that the process should play out and that these troops are innocent until proven guilty is a true and unpolitical message. The process SHOULD play out and they ARE innocent until proven guilty. I suppose where we disagree on is how the president’s statement is interpreted which ultimately leads back to whether he should say it at all. Just my thoughts.


69 posted on 07/03/2008 7:11:28 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin

That’s an honest, honorable position on your part. BTW, welcome to FR. Your posts prove you to be an asset.


70 posted on 07/03/2008 7:19:53 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: xzins

Thank you. I always try to be respectful even if I disagree. It’s not always returned but I appreciate your compliment and your responses throughout our little debate.


71 posted on 07/03/2008 7:57:15 AM PDT by djsherin
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To: djsherin; xzins

Just to add my two cents—thanks for keeping it cordial.


72 posted on 07/03/2008 8:18:15 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: bigheadfred

Who knows. However, being at the center of UCI dismissal (without prejudice) may not bode well.


73 posted on 07/03/2008 8:26:08 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Going out on a limb here ( I still have one good one, thanks) but I’ll take that as a not in this lifetime. I’m hoppy to see that you skipped right over the first question. But at least you refrain from any knee-jerk reactions, or leaping to unfounded conclusions. All you say has at a foothold in reality.

And (without prejudice) I agree completely that it may not bode well. His actions may be viewed as a stepping on of toes, the kicking of shins, and will harm his chances at promotion.

And yes, you know I am just needling you (surprise) LOL. Take comfort in the fact that soon enough they will be needling me. :-)


74 posted on 07/03/2008 9:52:25 AM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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You may have lucked out, fred. If Girlene was your doctor, she might have amputated by now. She loves working the saw.


75 posted on 07/03/2008 11:55:14 AM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover; Girlene
Yeah, lucky me.

Speaking of amputations, IED's are some nasty devices. One of the detriments to media blackouts, or nonpublication of intensely graphic video, pictures of victim's of IED"S is that people don't have any real sense of the horror they cause. So there is an insulation from that devastation, and many people just don't understand that reality. But I understand, so that when a repeat combat veteran like SGT. John Winnick says "I did this action in defense of my Marines," and "I didn't want them to end up like other Marines I have seen," then my reaction is to not only believe him, but to put him on a pedestal and declare him to be one of the finest representatives of the people who REPRESENT me in WAR.

I work in a dangerous industry, speaking of amputations and saws, et al. A week ago last Monday, one of MY men was not following proper training and safety and chewed off most of all four fingers of his right hand in a shaper accident. So I get to hold a screaming man in my arms , carrying him to a waiting vehicle for immediate medevac.

It is not exactly combat, but again, when a man trained, and, with the experience of SGT. John Winnick chooses to act in the manner he did, and other people who have no real understanding of that reality attack him I want to stick various parts of their anatomy in a grinder.

76 posted on 07/03/2008 12:48:06 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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It is not exactly combat

I meant, "What I do, 'it is not exactly combat'" Don't mean for any confusion there.

77 posted on 07/03/2008 12:56:43 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: bigheadfred

Bump and grind.


78 posted on 07/03/2008 2:06:40 PM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: freema

;-)


79 posted on 07/03/2008 2:33:20 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: freema

Yea, but the ex Marine could care less of things dealing with the Marine Corps.. Greenbacks and power is all that rattles around in his little mind.


80 posted on 07/03/2008 4:31:33 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter was our best choice...Now we are left with a bunch of idiots.)
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