Posted on 07/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.
I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.
I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.
The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find. Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.
I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.
I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.
The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find.
UPDATE: Looks like some have filed the ole FOIA request to force the issue. Meanwhile Doug Ross thinks it’s legit.
One note, Certificates of Live Birth are NOT considered proof of citizenship in many states including Florida, while in other states it is.
Again, why not then just produce the damn certificate, it clears up the whole thing. Until we see that, the issue isn’t closed.
I would like to see the birth certificate not a certificate of live birth. IN ADDITION, I would like to see proof from the hospital that Obama was born there.
It is beyond belief that a man running for president would not want to resolve this issue quickly.
Why did he wait until clinching the nomination to release the birth certificate? Could it be to keep it away from Hillary’s Camp until the last primaries?
These are basic questions.
The fact too, that one can discern a faint seal is meaningless. Could the document been originally someelse’s that was doctored? Why is the serial number blacked out?
I think the matter should be laid to rest quickly, but I do not see how we the messenger is the culprit here. Obama should explain, WHY did you supply a questionalbly legit document in the first place and not come clean as soon as there was a controversy as you emply you will do to dispel any rumor?
“the Kommie Kos Kooks are probably trying to bait us.”
I don’t think there was any outside agitation necessary for this one.
Should be no problem unless they've been stolen or altered in a particular case.
I've requested and received baptismal and birth certificates, etc.
You’re absolutely right. There are much more substantive issues on which to oppose Obama than this.
Even if true, there’ll be no way to prove it to the public’s satisfaction, given the state of the MSM.
This can only serve to brand us as kooks and it’ll distract us from addressing the real stuff.
How about this first world country? If Obama was born overseas then the local U.S. counsulate would have had to record it. Where are those records.
It’s on him to prove he’s a natural born citizen. Constitutionally required.
Making laws up as you go along doesn't work. How did Bush or Clinton or Gore or Kerry prove they were a natural born citizen? When did they go before the cameras and wave their birth certificates around? I must have missed that part.
Of course this says “:(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions “
Hawaii was a possession so this shouldn’t apply.
If Obama was born in Hawaii he is a natural born citizen of the United States PERIOD. You need to show that he was not born here to begin with. That is still not proven either way.
It’s up to him to prove it. Not us.
ping of interest..
when Kos produced
That’s all you need to know that it’s a lie.
“It’s up to him to prove it. Not us.”
Prove what? That he was born? I think he’s got that covered.
A certified copy of his BC would clear everything up. If not, he should be challenged in court. Look at the court misery Bush and Cheney have been exposed to for 8 years. He's in hard ball now. Playtime is over. Just produce the BC. With Kerry, it was his 180. He NEVER produced it. We still don't know what discharge he got in 1972. All we get is the Carter forgery from 1978. How will we feel if Obama gets in, destroys the country and we find out 3 years down the road he should have never been there?
Amen. Bottom line. The burden of proof as to his elegibility belongs to Obama.
OK. So Obama's mother was 18 when he was born and had lived in the U.S. for more than 5 years prior to his birth, at least two of which were after she turned 14. In other words Obama could have been born on Mars and he still would be a natural born citizen.
We do it every 4 years.
What if the KOS document was someone else birth certificate and they used it as a template to forge Obama’s name?
Why is the serial number missing?
This seems petty and NOT in line with the Obama campaign’s pledge to address ALL rumor and resolve them.
1. Give an original document from the hospital not a certificate indicating birht but with your ht wt, hospital name etc.
2. Give us the records from the hospital where you were born. Show proof where you were born.
3. Produce a witness or two, e.g an doctor who delivered you or nurse who recalls. Some witnesses of the neighbors.
I mean, I think you at this point should convince the public you were born here not the other way around.
I don’t think it matters...if you read it closely, the entire law is premised on those born outside of US territories and possessions. Hawaii was a possession.
“a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions”
According to that, he’s a citizen...period. Now we come back around to the birth certificate fiasco.
I’m assuming that you’re asking for THE ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE THAT I IMAGINE IS ON MICROFICHE?
It can be a little more complicated than that, and it doesn't usually matter.
This may, however, be one time that the differences actually matter.
Probably won't, but they might.
On the surface this is true. HOWEVER, I for one want to know if he was born here or in Kenya, and if in Kenya, then why the deceit?
Keep in mind, everything...about his birth and pedigree has been taken from his own auto-bio...
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