Posted on 07/01/2008 1:03:52 PM PDT by Red Steel
Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.
I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.
I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.
The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find. Fellow Blog Talk Radio compadre David Zublick over at Heading Right says, “Maybe Not“.
I noted back here that when Kos produced - not a birth certificate - but a certificate of live birth there were several discrepancies noted that pointed to the fact - aside from the convenience - that the document was most likely forged. Since Obama has failed to produce a birth certificate, in-spite of several calls to do so, is telling indeed.
I was born in 1958 in the State of Florida and I can get a birth certificate for ten bucks. I doubt Hawaii was so backward in 1961 that it cannot produce a copy that he could show.
The news orgs are NOT looking into this, but some of us can snoop where others cannot. We’ll see what we can find.
UPDATE: Looks like some have filed the ole FOIA request to force the issue. Meanwhile Doug Ross thinks it’s legit.
One note, Certificates of Live Birth are NOT considered proof of citizenship in many states including Florida, while in other states it is.
Again, why not then just produce the damn certificate, it clears up the whole thing. Until we see that, the issue isn’t closed.
It is very unlikely that the Wikipedia entry was added or changed by the Obama campaign. If you want to look at the history, and the users who edited it, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Queen’s_Medical_Center
The US born argument doesn’t apply to McCain. Children born to military personnel stationed overseas are waivered those born on base are automatic American citizens. All US bases are American soil. Those born in route are waivered by US Ambassadors.
1. There is nothing private about the certificate number. The Decosta BC shows the year she was born, and perhaps the number of births up to that time. What is private about that. It comes that the document is traceable. Just an observation based on the Hawaiian statute, a lawyer I'm not.. Possibly the lady left hers on, where another person might black it out if he/she were going to put it on the internet or other public presentation.
2. McCain produced everything, and I’m sure this was vetted when he ran four years ago. Why are we pulling teeth here with the Obama Camp, and why did he wait until Hillary was out of the picture? Then why did it crop up again on Free Republic and other places in the last 60-90 days. Some will never be satisfied.
3. Everything that we know about Obama is from his own auto-bio. Conspicuously lacking are eye witnesses of his early life and his family here in the USA. True. As I said earlier I was never voting for him I don't give a crap about his Bio.
4. The grandmother is sequestered. Why? Your asking the wrong people. Those you need to ask most likely will not answer, unless a court of law forces them to.
5. I would think providing proof that you qualify to run for the office of president is determined by Congress? or is the courts? Has this process taken place? It must have in Illinois, but what does the elecction board do there?
6. The KOS BC is a certificate of live birth, it is NOT the original birth certificate. Where is the original birth certificate? I would think it’s on microfiche. Only the State of Hawaii and the individual know ... evidently neither is talking.
7. I have searched using pay sites such as Ancestry.com and have found NO listing for Obama or his mother’s marriage. True, this doesn’t prove anything, but it seems odd doesn’t it? His parent may have been married overseas in a foreign country, say Indonesia. Just speculation.
8. Why is it that two hospitals are listed as his place of birth. Wikipedia lists Kapliolani Medical Center, and other sites list Queens Hospital. Information is only as good as the provider.
9. I’ve seen posts, and I think this is also on The ObamaFile website, where it is “rumored” that Kenyan family members told media early on that Obama was born there. Libya’s Kaddafi says he was born in Kenya and that Obama is lying about it. Only way to force this issue is in the courts ... which court and judge will accept jurisdiction?
10. I would think that as we speak the FBI or Homeland Security or someone has agents on this subject. As a law enforcement officer what say you? I would think a federal law enforcement agency would be involved if a statute they enforce was thought to be broken or a US Attorney is investigating. Otherwise they would not verify the the Birth Cetrificate just to verify it or detemine fraud. I don't believe we have an Grand Jury indictment or an investigation.
I'm not 'sticking up for him' or brushing aside you questions. Much of what you as is outside the realm of the general population answering, they just add fuel to the fire. As evidenced by the McCain 'haters' who will do anyhting to get a candidate other than him in the GOP. That said, Obama has the ability to stop all this by personnally releasing any documents requested, also the State of Hawaii could release a certified copy, as I would also think its on microfische, with Obama's permission. See how well that worked with Kerry.
Also, this all pre-supposes that he was born in Hawaii and not brought there soon after his birth. There are rumors as you stated. I don't follow him and his family regularly, I thought his Mother and Father had passed away. So I'd say that his grandmother and grandfather would know and could say as I think they are still alive and they could talk even if he said not to ... then again they may remain silent if he asks. If not, it's up to Obama and theState of Hawaii. I don't believe any federal law enforcement ageny would open an investigation nor would any US Attorney's Office. For sure, Congress will not hold hearings. A news organization may be able to force the issue under a Freedom Of Information suit, federally or under Hawaiian statute and force it's issuance. Again a lawyer needs to weigh in.
This may be an issue that will forever hang fire and not be resolved.
Sorry, I added my comments in read for #1 thru #10 but it didn’t come through.
McCain wasn't born on the base. It had no hospital. He was born off-base in a Panamanian hospital.
That's the equivalent of the certificates so far presented.
People have brought the argument against McCain, as I understand it is being pursued in the courts.
Don't jackals come from Africa? Also, some have heard that mom was delayed in flying out of Kenya, trying to rush back to the U.S.A. to give birth; birth happened in Kenya and they arrived in Hawaii and lied about birth origins.
That statute only applies to births outside the U.S. If Obama was born in Hawaii, his parents' citizenship is irrelevant; under another clause of that statute-- and the 14th Amendment-- anyone born in the U.S. is automatically a citizen.
Hey, all, for a moment leaving aside the issue of the birth certificate itself, please consider what Smoothsailing has quoted (see #108 above) — EVEN IF Barack Obama were to produce a perfectly valid birth certificate that didn’t raise any other problems, how is he construed as a “natural born” citizen under the US law that prevailed in 1961 if it is indeed what Smoothsailing and others have quoted??
I don’t know how the legal and constitutional issues are settled on this, but the text of the law quoted in #108 and above seems to be unequivocal that “Stanley Dunham” (Barack’s mother) at the tender age of 18 could not give birth to a “natural born” US citizen with the father as a foreign national????
If that is the correct understanding of the law prevailing at that time, how has this not already become an huge issue?
If that is not what the law said in 1961, has someone explained this issue adequately?
I am not a lawyer, obviously, just a mystified citizen.
Is Barack Obama a natural born US citizen or not???
[fwiw, I think that would be a strange outcome, at variance with most citizens’ expectations and assumptions, but the law is not about what we expect or assume - there should be a FACT of the matter about whether or not Barack Obama was/is a natural born US citizen - it seems that the law of that time did not allow a US citizen mother UNDER THE AGE OF 21 to give birth to a natural born citizen baby if conceived with a foreign national father?? Considering that most all/rights and privileges of adulthood in those days did not start until age 21 this may have been quite intentional with those who drafted and passed this law?]
Those born in route are waivered by US Ambassadors.
>>>as I understand it is being pursued in the courts.
I have the New Hampshire case posted here if anyone wants to download it. It is actually an interesting read.
http://blog.barofintegrity.us/2008/06/29/john-mccains-citizenship-status—court-documents.aspx
You could write an email to the US Attorney General and ask him to investigate. Copy your US Senators, your US Representative and your own State’s Department of State and Governor’s Office. It’s a legitimate question, as is the question about John McCain. The grounded truth found after an honest investigation may not be pretty, but one should not fight the truth. In any case as citizens we have a duty to ask and to be vigilant as to the process, to make sure it is full, and that it is what is due and correct. We should not expect a wave of a wisp of some “looks good enough” — but we will get what we will allow.
Where the heck, in any sense of fairness, are the cases challenging Obama? That posted "Cert of Birth" is a red flag, if only that it is such a poor presentation of an "official" certification. It begs the issue to be questioned, as does Obama's own tale of his childhood. He wasn't born in Detroit and lived there all his life, after all. His own mother ...
It's like the opposite of Elian Gonzales, refugee, in a way. Well, a twist. In both cases, Obama and Elian -- we see the wild effect that an absence of a Dad can cause.
Dads arise!
Almost bigger than the birth certificate is whether he registers for the draft. If he did not, he is disqualified to be POTUS. Period. See: http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/01/selective-service-required-did-obama-register/
That is not correct. The subsection of the law to which you refer was (and is) applicable only to persons born outside of the United States, and it has since been amended to change the "physical presence" requirement, and to make it applicable to births from December 24, 1952 forward.
In other words, under the law as it was in 1961, BHO would be a natural born citizen if born in Hawaii. Under current law (which appears applicable to him) he is a natural born citizen regardless where he was born.
Disallowed from a Federal job, but not an elected office I would think. Statute can’t override the Constitution.
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