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Where are the Sunspots? Are we in for a Quiet Solar Cycle? (Global warming/climate change effected)
Universe Today ^ | 6/12/08 | Ian O'Neill

Posted on 06/30/2008 5:22:02 PM PDT by Libloather

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Solar cycles
Solar cycles are cyclic changes in behavior of the Sun. Many possible patterns have been suggested; only the 11 and 22 year cycles are clear in the observations.

11 years: Most obvious is a gradual increase and decrease of the number of sunspots over a period of about 11 years, called the Schwabe cycle and named after Heinrich Schwabe. The Babcock Model explains this as being due to a shedding of entangled magnetic fields. The Sun's surface is also the most active when there are more sunspots, although the luminosity does not change much due to an increase in bright spots (faculae).

22 years: Hale cycle, named after George Ellery Hale. The magnetic field of the Sun reverses during each Schwabe cycle, so the magnetic poles return to the same state after two reversals.

87 years (70–100 years): Gleissberg cycle, named after Wolfgang Gleißberg, is thought to be an amplitude modulation of the 11-year Schwabe Cycle (Sonnett and Finney, 1990).Braun, et al, (2005)

210 years: Suess cycle (a.k.a. de Vries cycle). Braun, et al, (2005).

2,300 years: Hallstatt cycle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation

1 posted on 06/30/2008 5:22:02 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

It’s probably a normal dip. Humans have been studying it for such a short time that it’s surprising to us due to lack of real observational data.


2 posted on 06/30/2008 5:24:42 PM PDT by allmost
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Beam me to Planet Gore !

3 posted on 06/30/2008 5:25:59 PM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: Libloather
Here ya go. Looks like from 5/27/08 to current:


4 posted on 06/30/2008 5:29:51 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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To: Libloather
Yes the sun is at a low cycle and do you know why? CARBON! Yes, it's b/c of all the polluting that we humans are doing on Earth. We need to tax you carbon producers, you SUV drivers, you barbequers so we can fix the sun! All climate change, all sun change is b/c of YOU.

The Democrat-Socialist are going to love this! Al will be all over it.
5 posted on 06/30/2008 5:30:57 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Libloather

Maybe the socialist environmentalists can move the Polar Bears to the Sun since the Polar ice caps are melting.


6 posted on 06/30/2008 5:32:33 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Libloather
Where are the Sunspots?

What I want to know is, Where the H&LL are the KILLER BEES?

We were warned about them in 1978!

7 posted on 06/30/2008 5:34:42 PM PDT by jaz.357 (the best in a war, very dangerous otherwise.)
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To: Libloather
If you look at the chart below, you will see that sunspot activity (during solar maxes--the individual peaks) has been relatively high since about 1900 and almost non-existent for the period between about 1625 and 1725. This period is known as the Maunder (sunspot) Minimum or "Little Ice Age".

From BBC News [yr: 2004]:
"A new [2004] analysis shows that the Sun is more active now than it has been at anytime in the previous 1,000 years. Scientists based at the Institute for Astronomy in Zurich used ice cores from Greenland to construct a picture of our star's activity in the past. They say that over the last century the number of sunspots rose at the same time that the Earth's climate became steadily warmer."..."In particular, it has been noted that between about 1645 and 1715, few sunspots were seen on the Sun's surface. This period is called the Maunder Minimum after the English astronomer who studied it. It coincided with a spell of prolonged cold weather often referred to as the "Little Ice Age". Solar scientists strongly suspect there is a link between the two events - but the exact mechanism remains elusive."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3869753.stm

It's really hard to imagine how this little ball of fire could have any impact on our climate at all.

But the main arguments being made for a solar-climate connection is not so much to do with the heat of the Sun but rather with its magnetic cycles. When the Sun is more magnetically active (typically around the peak of the 11 year sunspot cycle --we are a few yrs away at the moment), the Sun's magnetic field is better able to deflect away incoming galactic cosmic rays (highly energetic charged particles coming from outside the solar system). The GCRs are thought to help in the formation of low-level cumulus clouds -the type of clouds that BLOCK sunlight and help cool the Earth. So when the Sun's MF is acting up (not like now), less GCRs reach the Earth's atmosphere, less low level sunlight-blocking clouds form, and more sunlight gets through to warm the Earth's surface...naturally. Clouds are basically made up of tiny water droplets. When minute particles in the atmosphere become ionized by incoming GCRs they become very 'attractive' to water molecules, in a purely chemical sense of the word. The process by which the Sun's increased magnetic field would deflect incoming cosmic rays is very similar to the way magnetic fields steer electrons in a cathode ray tube or electrons and other charged particles around the ring of a subatomic particle accelerator.-ETL

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There's a relatively new book out on the subject titled The Chilling Stars. It's written by one of the top scientists advancing the theory (Henrik Svensmark).

http://www.sciencedaily.com/books/t/1840468157-the_chilling_stars_the_new_theory_of_climate_change.htm

And here is the website for the place where he does his research:
2008: "The Center for Sun-Climate Research at the DNSC investigates the connection between variations in the intensity of cosmic rays and climatic changes on Earth. This field of research has been given the name 'cosmoclimatology'"..."Cosmic ray intensities – and therefore cloudiness – keep changing because the Sun's magnetic field varies in its ability to repel cosmic rays coming from the Galaxy, before they can reach the Earth." :
http://www.spacecenter.dk/research/sun-climate

100,000-Year Climate Pattern Linked To Sun's Magnetic Cycles:
ScienceDaily (Jun. 7, 2002) HANOVER, N.H.
Thanks to new calculations by a Dartmouth geochemist, scientists are now looking at the earth's climate history in a new light. Mukul Sharma, Assistant Professor of Earth Sciences at Dartmouth, examined existing sets of geophysical data and noticed something remarkable: the sun's magnetic activity is varying in 100,000-year cycles, a much longer time span than previously thought, and this solar activity, in turn, may likely cause the 100,000-year climate cycles on earth. This research helps scientists understand past climate trends and prepare for future ones.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020607073439.htm

8 posted on 06/30/2008 5:34:47 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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To: Libloather

July 1st in a few hours and a low of 60 tonight and high of 82 tomorrow here in NC. I could live with this all summer.


9 posted on 06/30/2008 5:44:54 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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Whewww! Looks like MY house is safe!

10 posted on 06/30/2008 5:46:50 PM PDT by jaz.357 (the best in a war, very dangerous otherwise.)
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"Yes the sun is at a low cycle and do you know why? CARBON! Yes, it's b/c of all the polluting that we humans are doing on Earth. We need to tax you carbon producers, you SUV drivers, you barbequers so we can fix the sun! All climate change, all sun change is b/c of YOU."

Melty The Polar Bear

11 posted on 06/30/2008 5:48:43 PM PDT by musicman
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To: ETL
Based on the 100,000 year hypothesis and the plotted temperatures, we are at the peak of another 100,000 year cycle. Temperatures should start trending downward over the next 10,000 years. I'm not going to get too excited as I'll be worm food long before it happens.
12 posted on 06/30/2008 5:49:39 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Libloather
Well, there goes 10 and 6 meter DX, 73's all.

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13 posted on 06/30/2008 5:59:42 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Is Barak HUSSEIN Obama an Anti-Christ? - B.O. Stinks! (Robert Riddle))
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To: jaz.357
What I want to know is, Where the H&LL are the KILLER BEES? We were warned about them in 1978!

They did come out but only on Saturday nights. Weren't there supposed to be KILLER FRUIT FLYS? (Something illegally migrated from Mexico.)

14 posted on 06/30/2008 6:04:06 PM PDT by Libloather (June is Liberal Awareness Month.)
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Short Magazine Article on the Solar Cycle Theory of Warming/Cooling
15 posted on 06/30/2008 6:07:53 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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Nice article. It goes into good detail, yet is easily comprehensible to non-solar physicists. Thanks.


16 posted on 06/30/2008 6:19:54 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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17 posted on 06/30/2008 6:26:56 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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Temperatures should start trending downward over the next 10,000 years.

Our carbon-burning era will be a fart in the wind compared to that, timewise and effect-wise.

18 posted on 06/30/2008 6:35:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drill Here! Drill Now! Pay Less! Sign the petition at http://www.americansolutions.com/)
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To: Libloather
As the Sun provides Earth with all its energy, during extended periods when the solar output is lower than average, it seems possible a lack of sunspots on the Sun (i.e. low activity) may be linked with periods of cold down here.

"Solar output"? Energy? In case the author cares, sunspots are cooler, therefore less energy reaches earth. There are certainly some intruiging theories of solar effects on weather which ultimately affect climate (e.g. electrical, UV, galactic cosmic rays), but the notion expressed above is a nonstarter.

19 posted on 06/30/2008 6:45:40 PM PDT by palmer (Tag lines are an extra $1)
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"Solar output"? Energy? In case the author cares, sunspots are cooler, therefore less energy reaches earth. There are certainly some intruiging theories of solar effects on weather which ultimately affect climate (e.g. electrical, UV, galactic cosmic rays), but the notion expressed above is a nonstarter.

Not exactly. Although sunspots ARE cooler than the rest of the sun's surface, as you say, there are other solar phenomena which accompanies sunspots. These phenomenon are known as 'faculae'. They are lighter, much hotter regions. However, even though there is more heat being emitted from the sun during sunspot outbreaks, it isn't believed to be all that much to make much of a difference in terms of climate on earth.

From NASA's Solar and Heliospheric Observatory's "Not So Frequently Asked Questions" section:

Q-Does the number of sunspots have any effect on the climate here on Earth?

A-Sunspots are slightly cooler areas on the surface of the Sun, due to the intense magnetic fields, so they radiate a little less energy than the surroundings. However, there are usually nearby areas associated with the sunspots that are a little hotter (called falculae), and they more than compensate. The result is that there is a little bit more radiation coming from the Sun when it has more sunspots, but the effect is so small that it has very little impact on the weather and climate on Earth.

However, there are more important indirect effects: sunspots are associated with what we call "active regions", with large magnetic structures containing very hot material (being held in place by the magnetism). This causes more ultraviolet (or UV) radiation (the rays that give you a suntan or sunburn), and extreme ultraviolet radiation (EUV). These types of radiation have an impact on the chemistry of the upper atmosphere (e.g. producing ozone). Since some of these products act as greenhouse gases, the number of sunspots (through association with active regions) may influence the climate in this way.

Many active regions produce giant outflows of material that are called Coronal Mass Ejections.

These ejections drag with them some of the more intense magnetic fields that are found in the active regions. The magnetic fields act as a shield for high-energy particles coming from various sources in our galaxy (outside the solar system). These "cosmic rays" (CRs) cause ionization of molecules in the atmosphere, and thereby can cause clouds to form (because the ionized molecules or dust particle can act as "seeds" for drop formation).

If clouds are formed very high in the atmosphere, the net result is a heating of the Earth - it acts as a "blanket" that keeps warmth in.

If clouds are formed lower down in the atmosphere, they reflect sunlight better than they keep heat inside, so the net result is cooling.

Which processes are dominant is still a matter of research.

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/classroom/notsofaq.html#SUNSPOT_CLIMATE

20 posted on 06/30/2008 6:58:59 PM PDT by ETL (Plenty of REAL smoking-gun evidence on the demonRats at my home page)
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