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How Kosovo Created its Own Liberal Islam
Standpoint ^ | July 2008 | MICHAEL J. TOTTEN

Posted on 06/29/2008 5:50:12 AM PDT by forkinsocket

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To: dennisw; NYC Republican

10% of the Albanians in Kosovo are Christian — and by latest reports, the number of converts to Christianity is growing fast. 30% of Albanians in Albania proper are Christian — Albanian Orthodox or Catholic


401 posted on 09/29/2008 10:18:42 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: NYC Republican

Oh, I despise the philosophy and thoughts of the civilisational disease that isSlam. But I don’t see the Albanians are being part of that. Pakis, Sauds, yes


402 posted on 09/29/2008 10:20:41 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos
"I couldn't find any birth-rate figures for Kosovar Albanians, but the annual growth rate for Albania proper is 2.03% -- hardly the incorrect, false figures of 10 ~ 15 you gave. In fact, 2.03 is less than the replacement rate of 2.1."

Here's Wiki on the Kosovo's birthrate:

At 1.3% per year, ethnic Albanians in Kosovo have the fastest rate of growth in population in Europe.[117] Over an 82-year period (1921-2003) the population grew to 460% of its original size. If growth continues at such a pace, the population will reach 4.5 million by 2050.[118]

By contrast, from 1948 to 1991, the Serb population of Kosovo increased by but twelve percent (one third the growth of the population in Central Serbia). The population of Albanians in Kosovo increased by three hundred percent in the same period – a rate of growth twenty-five times that of the Serbs in Kosovo.

403 posted on 09/29/2008 5:07:11 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Cronos
"10% of the Albanians in Kosovo are Christian — and by latest reports, the number of converts to Christianity is growing fast"

Have no idea where you got that number from!

Wiki Again:

Islam (mostly Sunni, with a Bektashi minority[26]) is the predominant religion in Kosovo, brought into the region with the Ottoman conquest in the 15th century and now nominally professed by most of the ethnic Albanians, by the Bosniak, Gorani, and Turkish communities, and by some of the Roma/Ashkali-"Egyptian" community. I...About three percent of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo remain Roman Catholic despite centuries of the Ottoman rule.

404 posted on 09/29/2008 5:14:43 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Cronos

Quite true..........


405 posted on 09/29/2008 7:12:51 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Cronos

Precisely my point, thank you.


406 posted on 09/29/2008 7:13:33 PM PDT by Diocletian
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To: Cronos

Where is the archeological evidence? Oh yeah, there is none.


407 posted on 09/29/2008 8:50:54 PM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Cronos; joan; Smartass; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ...

We don’t really care if the Albanians turn out to be our long-lost second cousins, just so long as they quit burning and desecrating our churches and monasteries, stop shooting at little Serbian boys with machine guns, stop drowning old women in their own bathtubs, stop cutting off medical supplies, clean water, and electricity to Serbian home and stop their ethnic cleansing campaign against the Serb, Jew, and Roma legal residents of Kosovo.


408 posted on 09/30/2008 6:46:19 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Cronos

By the way, Santino Sonny Corleone sleeps with the fishes, along with all the other pseudonyms of the arch Orthodox-hater Ronly Bonly (spit) Jones.


409 posted on 09/30/2008 6:48:46 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: Bokababe

I got that from Wikipedia too as well as the Guardian that the number of Catholics was 9% at the end of the US action on Kosovo, but that Albanians are converting in increasing numbers (ok, the Guardian says that there probably is an ulterior motive that the Albanians want to become more European and also that the Albanians realise that their country was created by Christianity — just like Russia, Serbia, Poland, Germany, etc.)


410 posted on 09/30/2008 7:33:49 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Diocletian

It’s good to know that there’s a sane voice here. All the posts calling an ethnic group sub-human is sickening. I will callIslam, the philosophy as sub-human, I won’t call it’s followers sub-human. People can always become good, evil ideas can’t


411 posted on 09/30/2008 7:40:55 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: montyspython

There is enough Archaeological evidence in terms of the potteries, the continuous human existence in the mountains of Albania, the linguistics, the genetics. There’s as much proof for Albanians to have been descended from ancient Illyrians as modern-day Greeks to be decended from Dorians.


412 posted on 09/30/2008 7:42:09 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: FormerLib

All of those accusations have also been leveled at Serbs. Have Serbs also committed such acts? Some, yes. Should I condemn all Serbs for that? No, I will not. Ditto for this — the entire Kosovo problem started when Milosevic wanted a “pure” Serbian Kosovo —> that’s not possible. I don’t agree with a “pure” Albanian Kosovo either. Both sides have the right to live in that land wherever they want, free from fear


413 posted on 09/30/2008 7:44:32 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: FormerLib

Stop making this an attack on Orthodoxy. I do not see this as being that, I see the entire Kosovo issue as being more ethnic than anything.


414 posted on 09/30/2008 7:47:28 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos

Wrong, the most recent problem started when the Kosovo Albanians began their ethnic cleansing of Serb, Jew, and Roma residents by a sustained terror campaign, including rape and murder, in the 1980’s.

This was documented by David Binder of the New York Times.

They demanded a pure ethnic state (you’ve got it completely backwards) and we’ve helped them just about achieve it.


415 posted on 09/30/2008 11:18:51 AM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: forkinsocket
Islam was the benefactor in this theft and wants to manage perception and re engineer history now that it has what it wanted.

However, let me remind you that this new “liberal” Islam in Kosovo was very busy erasing the Christian heritage that has stood for centuries in Kosovo by destroying Churches, Christian cemeteries, monuments and murdering Christian people because they were Christian.

416 posted on 09/30/2008 11:24:09 AM PDT by SQUID
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To: Cronos

Your superficial naivete regarding ethnicity and religion or ideology in the Balkans leads you to wrong conclusions.


417 posted on 09/30/2008 11:27:07 AM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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To: Cronos

Post it.


418 posted on 09/30/2008 11:42:10 AM PDT by montyspython (Love that chicken from Popeye's)
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To: Bokababe

Keep up the good work BB!


419 posted on 09/30/2008 11:57:23 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Cronos

You ain’t fooling anyone.

Your real agenda smacks of hatred of Eastern Orthodoxy.

BTW—Since you live in the UK - how about returning the Parthenon Marbles to Greece -— which one of your many looters stole.


420 posted on 09/30/2008 1:09:17 PM PDT by eleni121 (EN TOUTO NIKA!! +)
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