Posted on 06/27/2008 9:17:01 PM PDT by evangmlw
Tampa: Prohibition against firearms on USAA property remains in effect
Published 6/27/2008 USAA's policy prohibiting firearms anywhere on USAA property remains in effect at all locations. The policy remains in effect despite a new Florida law limiting such policies.
Background On July 1, a new law takes effect in Florida that restricts employers' ability to prohibit guns at the workplace. However, that law also includes an exemption for properties that include school facilities, such as our Child Development Center (CDC).
As a result, USAA's policy prohibiting guns in the workplace will remain in effect even after the law takes effect July 1.
Not that it matters. I don't think there are any consequences if the "law" is violated, is there?
The day care center has its own parking lot where the children are dropped off and picked up. The parking garage is so far from the day care center that it is not feasable to park in the lot and walk them to the day care facility.
Do parents park in that lot, walk their kids to the day care, then walk to their workplace?
Wrong... Constitutionally, the rite to self-defense will trump personal property rites. There is a reason for it being the 2nd Amendment.
Deets
Parents drop their kids off at the day care facility and then proceed to a 6 story concrete parking deck which is further down the street (1/8th mile) at the main building complex. At the end of the day, they get in their vehicles, drive to the day care about 1/8th mile down the road and pick their kids up. The day care is a separate building totally separated from the parking lot and main office.
Do you believe that self-defense trumps property in all cases? In other words, do I not have the right to refuse someone entry to my property because I do not want them to be armed?
Do the same protections extend to the free speech rights of the 1st amendment? So that I would also not be allowed to deny entry to my property to someone holding or expressing beliefs I find repulsive?
Wrong... Constitutionally, the rite to self-defense will trump personal property rites. There is a reason for it being the 2nd Amendment.
Do you believe that self-defense trumps property in all cases? In other words, do I not have the right to refuse someone entry to my property because I do not want them to be armed?
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Do the same protections extend to the free speech rights of the 1st amendment? So that I would also not be allowed to deny entry to my property to someone holding or expressing beliefs I find repulsive?
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Timm22
Bottom line is that it is Man’s God-given rite to ‘peaceably’ defend himself where ever he maybe. We have only been able to appropriately exercise this judicious use of force for the past 200-300 years thusly throwing off ‘most’ of the state’s yoke in addition to others whom by nature are compelled to oppress. If you chose not to properly defend yourself, that’s your unfettered prerogative. However, if I am ‘invited’ onto your property verbally by you or implicitly by way of a business, then you can be assured I will be able to appropriately defend myself since your invitation is more than likely open to nameless others in the community at large. That is an assumption I will defend just as my life. If I have no reason to be there in the first place, then as jesse jackson would put it, “The question is moot.”
As for the 1st, oddly enough, no. Nonetheless, the 2nd Amendment by its very nature is THE lynchpin not only to the Republic but as well to an open and civil society. Read John Lott’s “More Guns, Less Crime” and give the numbers a scant glance. I think it will be an illustrative exercise. Just remember, you’ll meet some of the the most polite at the range.
By the way, would you do MS-13 a big favor and put up a “Gun-Free-Zone” sign in your front yard?
No government has a monopoly on perpetuity. The 2nd is THE line we all man.
the Deets
Critical enough for ya?...
The statute's prohibition is against taking a weapon into the facility. The parking lot for dropping kids off and picking kids up is totally detached, separated, and some distance from the day care center. Parents do not walk the kids to and from the parking garage where they park their vehicles. I think there are some serious legal questions here as to the stated law they are citing.
The rules of journalism....who, what, where, when and why at or near the beginning of a post.
Leni
Leni
Both sides will have arguable positions.
Courts will settle issue, not us.
USAA is a company based out of San Antonio, Texas with over 20,000 employees. The Southeastern office is a six story building located by Bruce B. Downs and I-75, employing about 1400 employees. They offer auto insurance, homeowners insuracne, life insurance, banking services, investment services, etc. The Tampa office is a large complex sitting on several acres of land.
Leni
Suppose a condition of my invitation is the requirement that any invitee be unarmed. I give ample notice of this condition well before anyone steps foot on the property. Would that situation qualify as one where you (or any other armed person) would have no reason to be on my property?
...By the way, would you do MS-13 a big favor and put up a “Gun-Free-Zone” sign in your front yard?
Why would I want to do that? I have no problem with people carrying weapons on my property. In fact, I generally feel safer when they do. I am familiar with Lott's work and I've quoted it to gun control advocates in other debates.
I don't think a person *should* ban weapons on their property. It's a dumb thing to do. This is just one of those areas where I believe a person has the right to do something stupid, if that's what they want.
If the property owner wants to subject himself to an increased risk, and any of his visitors also agree to accept that increased risk, who are we to tell them they have to do things differently?
Please not that customers do not come onto the property. This is a call center with tight security. Only employees and invited guests are allowed on the property. One rather odd thing here. Although firearms are not allowed on the property, it appears that security guards are armed. They either carry 9mm pistols or tasers that appear to be pistols in a holster.
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