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George Will: Building a Wall Against Talent - Send us your Ph.D.s yearning to be free
RCP ^ | June 26th, 2008 | George Will

Posted on 06/26/2008 10:40:12 AM PDT by The_Republican

PALO ALTO, Calif. -- Fifty years ago, Jack Kilby, who grew up in Great Bend, Kan., took the electrical engineering knowledge he acquired as an undergraduate at the University of Illinois and a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin to Dallas, to Texas Instruments, where he helped invent the modern world as we routinely experience and manipulate it. Working with improvised equipment, he created the first electronic circuit in which all the components fit on a single piece of semiconductor material half the size of a paper clip.

On Sept. 12, 1958, he demonstrated this microchip, which was enormous, not micro, by today's standards. Whereas one transistor was put in a silicon chip 50 years ago, today a billion transistors can occupy the same "silicon real estate." In 1982, Kilby was inducted into the National Inventors Hall of Fame, where he is properly honored with the likes of Henry Ford and Thomas Edison.

If you seek his monument, come to Silicon Valley, an incubator of the semiconductor industry.

If you seek (redundant) evidence of the federal government's refusal to do the creative minimum -- to get out of the way of wealth creation -- come here and hear the talk about the perverse national policy of expelling talented people.

Modernity means the multiplication of dependencies on things utterly mysterious to those who are dependent -- things such as semiconductors, which control the functioning of almost everything, from cell phones to computers to cars. "The semiconductor," says a wit who manufactures them, "is the OPEC of functionality, except it has no cartel power." Semiconductors are, like oil, indispensable to the functioning of many things that are indispensable. Regarding oil imports, Americans agonize about a dependence they cannot immediately reduce.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; georgewill; immigration; semiconductor; slavelabor; xenophobes
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I am sure H1-B-is-a-sham crowd would now do research and post personal insults against George Will.

However, its foolish to block talent.

Because of these retarded policies, London has now become the biggest Financial Center in the world. They took advantage of our policies post-9/11 and opened the door for foreign TALENT and CAPITAL. They are reaping the rewards now.

1 posted on 06/26/2008 10:40:19 AM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican

I’ve seen this happen. Brilliant people who get graduate degrees here, and then we send them back to China, or other places.


2 posted on 06/26/2008 10:46:12 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: The_Republican; All
I've always liked this pic:

Computer Job

3 posted on 06/26/2008 10:47:00 AM PDT by musicman
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To: The_Republican

I have a better idea:

Auction U.S. citizenship annually, to people who pass background checks. Apply proceeds as tax rebates based on amounts paid.

We’ll only get the best, brightest, and richest!


4 posted on 06/26/2008 10:48:24 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (McCain / Kerry '08! ************* McCain's Dream Ticket, only the names have been reversed)
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To: The_Republican
But only 140,000 employment-based green cards are available annually, and 1 million educated professionals are waiting -- often five or more years -- for cards.

I find it difficult to believe that if we are accepting the 140,000 most talented applicants each year, this this number is insufficient for American industry's need for foreign "brainiacs". I suspect the reality is that the majority of these 140,000 slots do not go to the objectively most talented. Why? Because employers game the system and because our government is not equipped to identify the most talented.

5 posted on 06/26/2008 10:49:49 AM PDT by Stingray51
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To: The_Republican

The problems with H1B’s are numerous.

First, start with the fact that H1B people are, in fact, indentured servants of their “sponsors.”

Then let’s talk about the absurdities of the student visas, many of which are handed out like chicklets to students from terrorist-sponsoring nations, while we limit student visas to friendly countries.

The problem here is that Will is shilling for corporations who want cheap, servile labor. That’s what the H1B program is, and what it delivers.

What we need is an immigration system like NZ or Australia’s - a point system where you get more points for having a degree in a useful field, more points for being self-sufficient, yet more points for being a businessman or someone with capital, etc.


6 posted on 06/26/2008 10:56:04 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: Stingray51

Why wouldn’t we want the 14,000,000, or more if at all possible, of the world’s smartest people to immigrate to US? At least then we are counter-balancing some of the world’s poorest and most dependent who come here illegally?


7 posted on 06/26/2008 10:58:41 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: nickcarraway

“{I’ve seen this happen. Brilliant people who get graduate degrees here, and then we send them back to China, or other places.”

So, are you proposing that any foreigner who comes here and gets a graduate degree automatically be offered citizenship?

Rather than ruing what you see, give us a policy proposal of how you think things should work.


8 posted on 06/26/2008 10:58:50 AM PDT by Will88
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To: NVDave

Back in the days of unlimited immigration before WWI, a person could not have a job waiting for him when he arrived in the US. The idea is that people might be conned into agreeing to slave-like conditions if they signed a contract in Europe when they didn’t understand the conditions in America.


9 posted on 06/26/2008 11:01:43 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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“Why wouldn’t we want the 14,000,000, or more if at all possible, of the world’s smartest people to immigrate to US? At least then we are counter-balancing some of the world’s poorest and most dependent who come here illegally?”

Heck, why wouldn’t we want 50,000,000? 75,000,000? Scour the world and reel in all the smart people we can find and offer the citizenship.


10 posted on 06/26/2008 11:02:50 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Here, here.


11 posted on 06/26/2008 11:07:32 AM PDT by Tennessean4Bush (An optimist believes we live in the best of all possible worlds. A pessimist fears this is true.)
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To: NVDave
What we need is an immigration system like NZ or Australia’s -
a point system where you get more points for having a degree in
a useful field, more points for being self-sufficient, yet more
points for being a businessman or someone with capital, etc.


Even Canada, the wet-dream of liberals in the USA, required
sizeable cash deposits before they'd allow immigrants to come
from Hong Kong.

You'd think our liberal vanguard would even see the sense in that.
12 posted on 06/26/2008 11:07:32 AM PDT by VOA
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To: NVDave
What we need is an immigration system like NZ or Australia’s -
a point system where you get more points for having a degree in
a useful field, more points for being self-sufficient, yet more
points for being a businessman or someone with capital, etc.


Even Canada, the wet-dream of liberals in the USA, required
sizeable cash deposits before they'd allow immigrants to come
from Hong Kong.

You'd think our liberal vanguard would even see the sense in that.
13 posted on 06/26/2008 11:08:33 AM PDT by VOA
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To: NVDave

EXACTLY. The H-1B benefits nobody but the employer willing to bend the law to get technical labor for lower wages (and don’t kid yourself, the “prevailing wage” section of the law is easily bypassed). American workers get priced out of the jobs, and the immigrant here on the visa is no more than an indentured servant, here at the whim of the employer or the contract company that places him at a jobsite. Don’t work the long hours they want you to for crap wages? You’re back on the plane to Hyderabad.

If the government would quit screwing up the educational system so we could produce more engineers and computer scientists domestically, we wouldn’t NEED the H-1B and similar visa programs. I understand why we have visas like the H-1B and L-1, and wish that they could be replaced with something that gives the immigrant more flexiblity. But I certainly don’t think those visa programs need to be expanded, especially in their present form.

}:-)4


14 posted on 06/26/2008 11:10:22 AM PDT by Moose4 (http://moosedroppings.wordpress.com -- Because 20 million self-important blogs just aren't enough.)
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To: Tennessean4Bush

“Here, here?”

Like most things related to immigration, what happens must eventually be expressed in terms of a specific policy, or one must simply be for open borders, come one, come all.

So, it’s either open to all, or there is some numerical limit, or limit related to qualifications, or something. It’s not just an emotional expression of some pro immigration feeling.

And, what about the nations who foot the bill for their students to study here and have some expectation that those students return home and benefit their home nation?


15 posted on 06/26/2008 11:16:40 AM PDT by Will88
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Two-thirds of doctoral candidates in science and engineering in U.S. universities are foreign-born.

And paid for how? At our expense? [Yes. In many if not all cases. Particularly U.S. land grant schools]

And do the advocates for H1B DeFacto Amnesty for all of them realize that they are displacing U.S.-loyal U.S.-citizen talent...crowding them out in the schools, in the entry-level positions necessary to climb-the-ladder for skills and company positions?

This is not really debatable. The Defense Science Board has already concluded we have a real problem with this. From Strategic Strike Skills...which is not widely acknoweldged...to the more noticeable software infiltration

However, its foolish to block talent

I would agree with that statement, but not your position. The policies of unrestricted foreign technical invasion of our universities, and preferred hiring of the Cheaper H-1Bs... has "crowded out" our own students. So it is indeed "foolish" to continue this blocking of our OWN talent.

16 posted on 06/26/2008 11:17:43 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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It is good when talent comes here.
It is also good when talent spreads across the globe creating vibrant economies and democracies that are able to handle their own problems and become mutually beneficial trade partners and allies.


17 posted on 06/26/2008 11:19:10 AM PDT by DancesWithBolsheviks (We're all mavericks now.)
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This article is rubbish! George Will is a great columnist and is usually right about most issues. Here he is completely wrong. He has just a little knowledge and a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
Most of the H1B visas awarded today are not for talented people like Jack Kilby. The vast majority of these visas are awarded to “run of the mill’ engineers and programmers who we could easily train from the pool of talent here in the United States. I know many engineers who have left the profession because their careers have plateaued and they do not want to work 60 hours per week for rather mediocre salaries. Many have seen their friends who have less intellectual talent make for more money in other fields. If there is a shortage of talent then the laws of supply and demand should satisfy this shortage.
Most of the employers who lobby for more H1B visas essentially want slaves. They want people who are in their late 20’s, will work 60 or more hours per week, will work for peanuts, have reasonable skills, and will not complain or seek employment with other companies who might make them a better offer. Only immigrants who are trying to get on the bottom rung of the immigration ladder will satisfy these requirements.
I know of a very famous S/W company (yes that company) that lobbies furiously for more H1B visas. However when they recruit on college campuses they will only look at the top\s 10% of the class and only at a very few selective universities. Many extremely talented college grads would love to work for this company but cannot get in the door. I wonder if George Will knows about this? As far as PhD's go most of these PhD types are really not all that great. I know this sounds crazy but it is true. Only about 10-20% of all PhD's are really first rate people. Many did their work outside the fields in which they are employed in so often the degree doesn't mean that much. Look we have nearly 1 million immigrants per year coming to the U.S. Surely we can get all the technical talent we need by cherry picking about 10K for technical positions.
18 posted on 06/26/2008 11:23:37 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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The real question is why we are not educating our own children instead of the children from foreign nations?

Our own kids can’t afford to attend these universities. Only kids from well to do families and the rich kids from other nations can. And so they come here to get the best eduction our kids can’t buy. What’s up with that? Why are there limited seats for our kids, but plenty for foreign nationals that want to come?

Our lower education system is in a shambles. We keep turning loose the Department of Education on it, allowing it to install the mindset of UNESCO programs, so social engineering can dominate.

I don’t like sending tellented people home any more than the rest of you. I don’t like telling our kids from moderate income families to stay home even more.


19 posted on 06/26/2008 11:35:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne ( I say no to the Hillary Clinton wing of the Republican party. Not now or ever, John McCain...)
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To: DancesWithBolsheviks

The US can’t get out of our own way.

We make it difficult for qualified, intelligent LEGAL immigrants, but refuse to deal with the hordes of uneducated, illegal immigrants who invade our borders.


20 posted on 06/26/2008 11:35:54 AM PDT by PGR88
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