Posted on 06/25/2008 8:52:46 AM PDT by pissant
Is Barack Obama a United States citizen, and is he eligible to run for President of the United States, or did he present a forged government document to verify a citizenship he does not possess? For a few weeks now these questions have been swirling around the internet. The questions have become so prominent that Obama addressed the issue on his Fight the Smears website. Of course, in typical Obama fashion it is becoming clear that nothing is as it seems.
His site says the following:
The truth about Baracks birth certificate
Lie: Obama Is Not a Natural Born Citizen
Truth: Senator Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961, after it became a state on August 21st, 1959. Obama became a citizen at birth under the first section of the 14th Amendment All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
There it is, the Certification of Live Birth. Case closed. Or is it? Two sources have raised what has proven to be very interesting, and troubling questions. Polarik, a blogger from Townhall.com, and the israelinsider, have both posted compelling evidence that can no longer be ignored, or brushed off as ridiculous.
Friday, June 20, 2008, Polarik, who claims to have extensive experience in the world of computers, printers, and typewriters, wrote given a set of printed letters, I can discern what kind of device made them. Printer output is quite different from the text created by a graphics program, and even if a document looks official, it may not be. He goes on to claim that anyone could have produced this document, and then proceeds to point out every flaw imaginable with this alleged certificate. Because his article is so detailed, and technical, I advise my readers to follow the link and read it for yourself. Have no fear. He has visuals to help you make sense of it.
Yesterday morning I read an article in the Israelinsider, written by Reuven Koret. Korets article eliminates any lingering question as to whether or not the Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery/fake.
Koret begins his article by linking to Photobucket, an image gathering website, where millions upload images to share with others, or post in various places such as websites, etc. It shows variations of the same Certificate of Live Birth presented by the Obama camp. One has Obamas birthplace listed as Antarctica, while another shows one issued by the government of North Korea. This certainly lends credibility to Polariks argument that the Certificate of Live Birth was created by some sort of computer program, that anyone can use.
According to Koret, Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health made clear that no birth certification, or certification of live birth is transmitted electronically, and that all certificates of live birth contain an embossed seal and registrars signature on the back of the document.
He then compares the 1961 Certification of Live Birth, presented as authentic on the Obama website, to one certifying the Hawaiian birth of a Patricia Decosta. The similarities and differences are quite noticeable.
Both contain a green bamboo background, though one is noticeably darker. Both contain borders that are noticeably different. Obamas is green, and Decostas is black. Polarik did a fabulous job of pointing out the obvious flaws on the border of Obamas alleged certificate.
The most compelling and disturbing items of note are the lack of an embossed seal and the registrars signature, on the copy being presented by Obama. Decostas seal, even faded with time is quite prominent, as is the registrars signature that bleeds through to the front of the document. The lack of these two items makes it clear that the copy presented by Obama is in fact a fake.
This raises many more questions and concerns. Why would Obama knowingly lie, and present a forged government document as official? Why does Obama refuse to present his real birth certificate, for inspection the actual piece of paper that can be handled by reporters? Is Barack Obama a citizen of the United States? Is he eligible for the highest office of this great nation? Lastly, what laws has Obama and his camp broken by knowingly presenting a forged government document?
So doesn’t this clearly state that Obama is a natural citizen, no matter where he was born?
Here is an animation I created of the two certificates overlaid and faded:
http://www.members.cox.net/gmay2/birth_cert_fade2.gif
WARNING: It’s a 3.2 meg file but I wanted to keep it large enough to examine details. Let it load fully and it will cycle between the two images.
I simply overlaid the two images and scaled one to fit the outside border of the other as closely as possible, then faded one into another.
Hope this is helpful in your research.
My theory: Reacting to a perceived need for a birth certificate, some doofus at the Obama campaign emailed the Hawaii Health Department and got some fellow commie working there to print off and scan an unofficial copy. They were careful to redact the certificate number, because that would allow bosses at the Health Department to determine who issued the out-of-school document. But they forgot to redact the June 6, 2007 date stamp that bled thru from the back of the paper. Then they published it, not realizing it would be analyzed as a possible forgery.
Now they are shaking a stick at the useless bandwidth wastage we of the VRWC are generating and having a good chuckle.
Sometime in October they will get around to posting an official copy. It will have fold marks and a certificate number and an embossed seal and be signed on the back by Dr. Onaka or one of his successors. And it will have a date other than June 6, 2007. But otherwise it will contain the same information. And they will say, See! Look at all the fuss about nothing those rascally Republicans made!
I would if I had money and contacts. As it is, my paltry bank account would be consumed rather quickly.
Which would have been the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, also known as the McCarran-Walter Act. The text of that act is available Here and according to that even if Obama had been born outside the U.S., he would still be a natural born citizen through his mother.
Then ping us to the threads you post discussing the ‘real’ issues of the campaign.
That's the thing that keeps me from dismissing this whole thing. There was absolutely no logical reason for Democrat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a strong Obama backer, to have introduced a resolution recognizing McCain as a "natural born citizen." Even if, by some unimaginable miracle, she awoke one morning consumed with interests of fairness for the Republican Party's nominee, why the co-sponsors--Hillary, Obama, Leahy and Coburn? What would they see in such meaningless theatre? Maybe not so meaningless after all.
The law currently in effect extends retroactively back to 1952
(see post 124).
The document under question has no effect upon his status as a natural-born citizen.
I think it is very clear...good on ya. I think it is pretty murky and slightly humorous. The BHO folks should be sweating a bit over this....cuz you know how us mainland Americans don’t take kindly to furenurs.
Perhaps you should change your name to “pissy” instead of “pissant”.
A little defensive are we? I think this is a red herring wild goose chase, and that is a perfectly legitimate point of view.
That has little to do with posting threads.
It has everything to do with posting threads. If there are ‘issue’ related issues about Obama that need to exposed here, we are looking for you to post them, so we don’t waste all of our talent and brain cells on such superfluous matters as Obama posting a forged document on his website.
The old "hey, look over there" (McCain) misdirection play.
I keep coming back to the fact that the Obama certificate says "Filed" and not "Accepted". THAT MUST BE ANSWERED!
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
We see that the Obama birth certificate, on the official Obama website, is without embossed seal and registrar signature.
Someone is lying here who is it?
The leftists, as usual.
From Sec 1401 -- (g) of the doc you linked:
a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: ... This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
If the document copy isnt certified in the way described above, it is worthless as proof of anything. >>
Wrong. I had to get a certified copy of a death certificate with raised seal for an insurance company. WA state provides a stamped seal along with a signature.
In submitting it to the company, I explained that this is WA's versions of a raised seal and it was accepted.
Relevance?
At a minimum, if Obama was not born in the U.S. (and I'll admit that is a big if), his mother should have been required to prove she continuously resided in the U.S. for the requisite 5 years required by this law...
Assuming such proof was necessary, there is no evidence I'm aware of indicating she lived anywhere but the U.S. from the time of her birth in 1942 until her 'marriage' to Obama, Senior in 1961. That would be a period of 18 years, including 2 years after age 14. Her parents could have vouched for that if necessary.
But that's not what HI does.
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