Posted on 06/25/2008 8:52:46 AM PDT by pissant
So doesn’t this clearly state that Obama is a natural citizen, no matter where he was born?
Here is an animation I created of the two certificates overlaid and faded:
http://www.members.cox.net/gmay2/birth_cert_fade2.gif
WARNING: It’s a 3.2 meg file but I wanted to keep it large enough to examine details. Let it load fully and it will cycle between the two images.
I simply overlaid the two images and scaled one to fit the outside border of the other as closely as possible, then faded one into another.
Hope this is helpful in your research.
My theory: Reacting to a perceived need for a birth certificate, some doofus at the Obama campaign emailed the Hawaii Health Department and got some fellow commie working there to print off and scan an unofficial copy. They were careful to redact the certificate number, because that would allow bosses at the Health Department to determine who issued the out-of-school document. But they forgot to redact the June 6, 2007 date stamp that bled thru from the back of the paper. Then they published it, not realizing it would be analyzed as a possible forgery.
Now they are shaking a stick at the useless bandwidth wastage we of the VRWC are generating and having a good chuckle.
Sometime in October they will get around to posting an official copy. It will have fold marks and a certificate number and an embossed seal and be signed on the back by Dr. Onaka or one of his successors. And it will have a date other than June 6, 2007. But otherwise it will contain the same information. And they will say, See! Look at all the fuss about nothing those rascally Republicans made!
I would if I had money and contacts. As it is, my paltry bank account would be consumed rather quickly.
Which would have been the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, also known as the McCarran-Walter Act. The text of that act is available Here and according to that even if Obama had been born outside the U.S., he would still be a natural born citizen through his mother.
Then ping us to the threads you post discussing the ‘real’ issues of the campaign.
That's the thing that keeps me from dismissing this whole thing. There was absolutely no logical reason for Democrat Sen. Claire McCaskill, a strong Obama backer, to have introduced a resolution recognizing McCain as a "natural born citizen." Even if, by some unimaginable miracle, she awoke one morning consumed with interests of fairness for the Republican Party's nominee, why the co-sponsors--Hillary, Obama, Leahy and Coburn? What would they see in such meaningless theatre? Maybe not so meaningless after all.
The law currently in effect extends retroactively back to 1952
(see post 124).
The document under question has no effect upon his status as a natural-born citizen.
I think it is very clear...good on ya. I think it is pretty murky and slightly humorous. The BHO folks should be sweating a bit over this....cuz you know how us mainland Americans don’t take kindly to furenurs.
Perhaps you should change your name to “pissy” instead of “pissant”.
A little defensive are we? I think this is a red herring wild goose chase, and that is a perfectly legitimate point of view.
That has little to do with posting threads.
It has everything to do with posting threads. If there are ‘issue’ related issues about Obama that need to exposed here, we are looking for you to post them, so we don’t waste all of our talent and brain cells on such superfluous matters as Obama posting a forged document on his website.
The old "hey, look over there" (McCain) misdirection play.
I keep coming back to the fact that the Obama certificate says "Filed" and not "Accepted". THAT MUST BE ANSWERED!
Janice Okubo, Director of Communications of the State of Hawaii Department of Health, told Israel Insider: "At this time there are no circumstances in which the State of Hawaii Department of Health would issue a birth certification or certification of live birth only electronically." And, she added, "In the State of Hawaii all certified copies of certificates of live birth have the embossed seal and registrar signature on the back of the document."
We see that the Obama birth certificate, on the official Obama website, is without embossed seal and registrar signature.
Someone is lying here who is it?
The leftists, as usual.
From Sec 1401 -- (g) of the doc you linked:
a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: ... This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date;
If the document copy isnt certified in the way described above, it is worthless as proof of anything. >>
Wrong. I had to get a certified copy of a death certificate with raised seal for an insurance company. WA state provides a stamped seal along with a signature.
In submitting it to the company, I explained that this is WA's versions of a raised seal and it was accepted.
Relevance?
At a minimum, if Obama was not born in the U.S. (and I'll admit that is a big if), his mother should have been required to prove she continuously resided in the U.S. for the requisite 5 years required by this law...
Assuming such proof was necessary, there is no evidence I'm aware of indicating she lived anywhere but the U.S. from the time of her birth in 1942 until her 'marriage' to Obama, Senior in 1961. That would be a period of 18 years, including 2 years after age 14. Her parents could have vouched for that if necessary.
But that's not what HI does.
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