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Today In History - June 25, 1876 - Battle of the Little Big Horn (Custer's Last Stand)
National Park Service ^ | 6/25/08

Posted on 06/25/2008 8:29:22 AM PDT by MplsSteve

Today is the anniversary of one of the more controversial battles in US history - one that has been debated over and over for years.

On this day in 1876, Genl George A Custer and large share of the US 7th Cavalry were killed in a battle near the Little Bighorn River in Montana.

Because many of us on Free Republic enjoy history as well as debating history, I wanted to post this to see what you all have to say about this battle?

Who's fault was it? Did Custer have a bad battle plan? Or did Reno and Benteern not follow orders? What about recent archeological digs showing that Custer's men may have lost because of excessive jamming of their carbines, this affecting their rate of fire? Anything other thoughts you may have?

Comments or opinions - anyone?


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: americanhistory; americanindians; custer; indians; littlebighorn; massacre
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Wikipedia.com has a surprisingly good summary of this battle too.
1 posted on 06/25/2008 8:29:23 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: MplsSteve

Just saw “They Died With Their Boots On” with Errol Flynn the other day.


2 posted on 06/25/2008 8:30:13 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: MplsSteve
"Talk amongst yourselves."


3 posted on 06/25/2008 8:32:17 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: MplsSteve
Custer's battle plan was simple: Chase down Indians, kill them all, get another headline and a promotion.

He didn't plan on the wholesale slaughter part.

4 posted on 06/25/2008 8:34:01 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: MplsSteve

Being outnumber 10-1 may have had something to do with it.


5 posted on 06/25/2008 8:34:42 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Right Cal Gal
Just saw “They Died With Their Boots On” with Errol Flynn the other day.

Almost as informative as “Little Big Man”...

6 posted on 06/25/2008 8:36:18 AM PDT by johnny7 ("Duck I says... ")
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To: MplsSteve

To be honest, I haven’t done much research on the battle at Little Big Horn (so if my comments sound stupid, please ignore). However, in high school we had almost an entire chapter in our history books devoted to this battle and Custer. The resounding opinion was that it was Custer’s fault for the following reasons: 1. Custer split his forces in an attempt to out-manuever the Indians, and 2. Custer over-rode his men to the point of exhaustion in the days prior to the battle.


7 posted on 06/25/2008 8:37:57 AM PDT by camerongood210
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To: Resolute Conservative

Being outnumber 10-1 may have had something to do with it.


And the Indians had better weapons. Custer was out gunned.


8 posted on 06/25/2008 8:40:01 AM PDT by unkus
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To: Right Cal Gal
"Just saw “They Died With Their Boots On” with Errol Flynn the other day." What did Errol think of his movie? and I thought he was dead. Lurking'
9 posted on 06/25/2008 8:41:02 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: theDentist

He was headed into Red Cloud’s territory. After the Fetterman Massacre at Fort Phil Kearny they knew that the tribes there were very good fighters.


10 posted on 06/25/2008 8:42:42 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Free the Refineries! - H.R. 2279 Must Become Law!)
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To: johnny7
Almost as informative as “Little Big Man”...

The book, "Little Big man", dealt with the Battle of the Little Big Horn in a serious fashion. The movie, however, was a revisionist cartoon.

11 posted on 06/25/2008 8:43:59 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Given such dismal choices, I guess I'll vote for the old guy.)
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To: MplsSteve

Custer appears to have been a good officer who seriously “misunderestimated” his enemy at the worst possible time.


12 posted on 06/25/2008 8:44:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Voting conservative isn't for the faint of heart.)
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To: theDentist
Custer sent back word to the supply group to bring up the Gatling guns that were packed on either mule or horseback. They either complied slowly or not at all. It's been a while since I did the reading.
13 posted on 06/25/2008 8:44:26 AM PDT by We Dare Defend Our Rights
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Wonder what the pin or embroidary is in the center of his scarf?


14 posted on 06/25/2008 8:45:36 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: johnny7

Oh, I know. About as historically correct as “Santa Fe Trail.” I just was commenting on the coincidence.


15 posted on 06/25/2008 8:45:41 AM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: MplsSteve

As I recall he left two Gatling guns and 5000 rounds of ammunition with the pack train. They might have made a difference.


16 posted on 06/25/2008 8:45:41 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: camerongood210

When he left FT Riley Custer told them not to change a thing. So far they haven’t.


17 posted on 06/25/2008 8:46:23 AM PDT by csmusaret (John McCain is the evil of two lessers)
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To: MplsSteve
I've read an account of the battle from the point of view of the Crow wolves (scouts) who were with Custer.

Pretty-shield's husband told her that Custer was drinking that day and ignored the scouts' warnings that the Lakota were 'thick as ants on a freshly staked buffalo hide'. Interestingly, the Crows' account states that Custer wasn't killed when and where most people think, but before the main battle, in the water at the river ford along with his standard bearer and a junior officer (which would explain why the battle broke up so quickly into little skirmishes).

Just another point of view, fwiw.

18 posted on 06/25/2008 8:46:29 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: MplsSteve; drzz

PING!............


19 posted on 06/25/2008 8:46:33 AM PDT by Red Badger (If we drill deep enough, we can reach the Saudi oil fields from THIS side..........)
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To: unkus

I was up there at the park last October. It was kind of a sobering sight to see where the men started dying at the bottom of the hill during the run to reach the top. I can only imagine what must have gone through Custer’s mind when he turned around and the 5000 Indians that didn’t exist came over the top and smashed the troop. The converted “bag and ball” carbines had to be given a long count to “three” before the ejector was pulled down so that the brass case was not pulled in two, after the first volley, most of the troopers were using them as clubs. Not much has changed from the stand point of military supply.


20 posted on 06/25/2008 8:46:54 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Thank God I am an "Infidel"!)
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