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To: Kevmo
There is one simple way for the candidate to clear up the issue once and for all: produce for public inspection and objective analysis the paper copy of his original Hawaiian birth certificate — if one exists. Ordinary citizens are required to produce one to get a passport or a driver’s license. Surely it’s not too much to ask from a man who aspires to hold the highest office in the land.

Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusations and not on those being accused?

There is one simple way to put it all to rest. Provide evidence that Obama wasn't born in Honolulu on August 4th, 1961. Unless someone can do that, then we can quibble over pictures of documents all day long and that won't change the fact that Obama is a natural born U.S. citizen.

56 posted on 06/24/2008 1:25:16 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Nonsense. The ‘accusers’ have already shown his BC on his website to be a forgery. He has some splainin’ to do.


64 posted on 06/24/2008 1:28:01 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“Provide evidence that Obama wasn’t born in Honolulu on August 4th, 1961. “

Actually, you must prove your citizenship. But you are still missing the point. This document is from the Barack Obama campaign website. If it is a forgery, that’s a really big deal.


76 posted on 06/24/2008 1:31:29 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusations and not on those being accused?

This isn't a criminal case. The man needs to prove he is eligible to become your President. He can't smirk, put his hands in his pockets and force you to prove he ISN'T a US citizen.

The article is excellent: here is the money quote IMO:

Research has since uncovered the law, in force at the time of Obama's birth, that were he to have been born in another country, his young American mother's youth extended time abroad would not suffice to make him a "natural born citizen." Even if he were naturalized later -- and there is no evidence that he was -- he would not be eligible to run for the office of president and -- if forgery or misrepresentation were involved -- he and his staffers might find themselves facing stiff federal and state charges.

81 posted on 06/24/2008 1:33:23 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Non-Sequitur
Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusations and not on those being accused?

At some point, the burden of proof must be on the person seeking the office to prove to the US Department of State that he is qualified to hold that office. Just like you have to prove you are qualified to hold a driver's license. It is not up to the state to issue you a driver's license unless they can prove you are unqualified.

93 posted on 06/24/2008 1:36:32 PM PDT by gridlock (Ted Kennedy wants YOU to live like the Flintstones while HE lives like the Jetsons.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

By your argument, anyone could adopt an identity, say they’re a natural born citizen, but have lost their papers.

That’s absurd.

If the guy has a passport, he has an official birth certificate.

The most interesting point I’ve read is that his mother, Ann Dunham, took him to visit her high school friends in Mercer Island, Washington, when he was less than a month old. Honolulu to Washington state is a mighty long trip for a teenage mother with a newborn in the era before disposable diapers. ;-)

There’s no evidence of where his mother was living while pregnant. The father was living on campus in Honolulu. If the parents were married, it was a bigamous relationship for him, since he already had a wife and children in Africa.

Since Ann’s parents disapproved of the relationship, it’s entirely possible that she was “sent away” for the final months of the pregnancy.

She may well have given birth in Canada. Are there relatives there who would take a pregnant teenager in? That would explain the visit to Mercer Island.


113 posted on 06/24/2008 1:45:26 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Non-Sequitur

Check his mothers passport records for the dates she claims she is in hawaii.


114 posted on 06/24/2008 1:47:45 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Non-Sequitur
Provide evidence that....
Sorry. We don't have to "provide" a darned thing. Obama's the one running for office, the one who has to meet the criteria to become POTUS. He needs to provide.
134 posted on 06/24/2008 1:56:26 PM PDT by Clara Lou (~sigh~ '08)
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To: Non-Sequitur
"Shouldn't the burden of proof be on those making the accusations and not on those being accused?"

We're not trying him for murder.

It is the candidate's responsibility to prove his citizenship, and eligibility. The FBI crimnal identification division will have to determine if he is a fugitive or felon.

348 posted on 06/24/2008 5:32:29 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: Non-Sequitur

So it is incumbent on the citizenry to prove the negative rather on the candidate to prove he was born here. That is profoundly inverted logic.


443 posted on 06/24/2008 8:43:56 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Non-Sequitur

Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on those making the accusations and not on those being accused?
***No. It’s a requirement for being eligible to be president. The burden of proof when we want to VOTE is on US to prove we qualify, so likewise the burden of proof on who we might (sic) vote FOR is on the recipient.


459 posted on 06/24/2008 9:23:53 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Non-Sequitur

No. When somebody runs for public office, the burden of proof that he/she is qualified is on him/her. This applies to the official qualifications—and should apply to the unofficial qualifications.


500 posted on 06/25/2008 8:22:48 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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