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John McCain's Vietnam jailer backs him
The Australian ^ | June 24, 2008

Posted on 06/23/2008 9:25:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

REPUBLICAN US presidential candidate John McCain has got some unexpected support from his former Vietnam War jailer, who said he would vote for the former navy pilot if he could.

Speaking to the BBC from Haiphong, Tran Trong Duyet also insisted that Senator McCain's assertions that he was tortured during his time at the prison were lies, and that no one held there was ever subjected to torture.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; commies; communism; duyet; election; electionpresident; elections; electionspresident; heroism; honor; mccain; vietnam
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To: ETL

for later


21 posted on 06/24/2008 12:10:52 AM PDT by Disciplinemisanthropy (...and that, people, is what grinds my gears.)
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To: river rat; 2ndDivisionVet
Bump for later.

McCain and I have unresolved problems.


BTW, Rat, enlisted were dead, officers were barter.
22 posted on 06/24/2008 12:19:45 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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To: river rat

Where were this bastards in the 60’s and 70’s, when it was OUR guys being tortured?
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May I add 90’s and 200+ to your list?


23 posted on 06/24/2008 2:19:33 AM PDT by CHEE (ROCK STEADY!)
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To: llandres
Did you sign up on FRee Republic just to bash McCain?

We've been warned by Obama folks that trolls were coming our way to help in the propaganda assault against McCain.

The alternative to helping elect McCain is Obama the most dangerous man in America.

24 posted on 06/24/2008 2:27:36 AM PDT by OKIEDOC (OBAMATIZATION - A Liberals Religion ABORTION - The ultimate form of Liberal Child Abuse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wouldn’t at all be surprised, if this was required to be said. No one wants to have their country dragged into another stupid “international court” hearing on “POW abuse”.


25 posted on 06/24/2008 4:41:55 AM PDT by Alia
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To: ETL

EXCELLENT POST!


26 posted on 06/24/2008 4:43:49 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Alia

You’re welcome. I just wish Hannity, Limbaugh, Ingram and O’Reilly would use more of this damaging information against Obama. For example, I don’t think Hannity has once told his audience that Bill Ayers and his Weather Underground were a communist organization, never mind that they actually met and were trained by the KGB, also the North Vietnamese and Cuban governments. For that matter, I can’t recall Limbaugh ever doing it either. O’Reilly and Laura Ingram are even more clueless on these issues. Same goes for Rev Wright’s Black Liberation Theology. Other than that one special Friday night edition of Hannity’s America (the one I posted a partial transcript of), Hannity has completely ignored the fact that BLT is a revolutionary communist ideology which only uses religion as a means to promote hatred, division and revolutionary sentiment. He seems to have totally forgotten what he learned on his own previous program. The others are even worse, having not once, to my knowledge, ever informed their audiences of the true nature of BLT. How in hell can we defeat these bastards if we continue ignoring such powerful information as this. I mean, even the dopiest democrat, would HAVE to wake up and see how dangerous these people really are.


27 posted on 06/24/2008 5:24:17 AM PDT by ETL
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To: ETL

Hannity is a joke!
He is WAY over his head, assuming the role of “Champion of the Right”....
He’s doing battle, unarmed in the battle of wits.

His heart may be in the right place, but battles are won by those with WEAPONS.
Hannity simply can’t or won’t grab the jugular and pull it towards him with enough force to dispatch the enemy.

In fact - I doubt there is any other program on TV, beside BOR who invites the major $%#$# like Sharpton, Jackson, or some wannabe “soldier” from the Black Panthers or “Nation of Islam”...
Why give these bastards the camera time - if you’re not going to tear their silly $#@ up?

By weakly playing the role of “conservative” against the aggressive “Leftist” Colmes -— it results in a net negative for conservatives...

The MOST effective, intelligent and aggressive TV host is without question -— Laura Ingram.
Of all the others — I would prefer Laura in my fighting position. (For lots of reasons!)


28 posted on 06/24/2008 9:11:59 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: river rat
It makes me sick to think of the bullshit we’re putting our warriors though and the care we’re giving to “captives” - yet STILL the Left and World are being critical of us!

Amen brother!

Maybe we could hire the NVA and VC to run Gitmo for us.

29 posted on 06/24/2008 9:13:41 AM PDT by Retired COB (Still mad about Campaign Finance Reform)
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To: river rat
The MOST effective, intelligent and aggressive TV host is without question -— Laura Ingram. Of all the others — I would prefer Laura in my fighting position. (For lots of reasons!)

From a previously posted response which I saved...

None of the right-wing talk show hosts seem to know beans about the communist left. Laura Ingram, for example, once interviewed Leslie Cagan (national coordinator of United for Peace and Justice) on her radio show and didn't once ask her about her communist leanings and overall anti-American views. She didn't even get the name of the org right (she called them United for Justice and Peace). And this was around the time of the 2004 Republican convention in New York City, when UFPG staged a 500,000-strong protest outside New York City's Madison Square Garden, site of the 2004 convention.

Cagan is a longtime supporter of communist causes and a devoted admirer of Fidel Castro. She also started up an org called Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism. CCDS is an old offshoot of Communist Party USA. The vice chair of CPUSA (Judith LeBlanc) is the co-chair of United for Peace and Justice.

More recently, while subbing for O'Reilly, Ingram had on the Factor a young woman named Sunsara Taylor. Talyor is a leading spokesperson for the org World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime. World Can't Wait is a well known front for the Revolutionary Communist Party. She also regularly writes for the RCP newspaper 'Revolution' and goes around college and high school campuses attempting to indoctrinate young naive kids into the movement. Laura Ingram, seeming not to have a clue in the world who Taylor was and what she truly represented, never once confronted her on these matters. And WCW and UFPJ are both huge and highly influential organizations.

From the Communist Party USA website, cpusa.org:
Texas Trail, 05/29/2008
"Texas Trail" was a production of Changing America. In this documentary, shot during the 2000 presidential election campaign. Judith LeBlanc (vice chair Communist Party USA) and Noel Robinowitz (Communist Party USA IT department) travel to Texas to discover the background and record of a then unknown Texas governor named George W. Bush.
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/961/1/148/

From the United for Peace and Justice website, unitedforpeace.org:
"The current [2005] Co-chairs of UFPJ are:
* George Friday, Independent Progressive Politics Network
* George Martin, Milwaukee Coalition for a Just Peace
* Judith LeBlanc, Communist Party - USA
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=2327

"Find a UFPJ Member Group" [list of Communist Party participants]:
http://unitedforpeace.org/groups.php?modin=&state=&country=USA&Company=Communist&search=Search

United for Peace and Justice sticker from 2004:
http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?id=1870

Whitewashing Reds
By Cliff Kincaid
Accuracy In Media (AIM)
April 23, 2003

"New York bureau chief of the Washington Post, tried to explain why he failed to note in an April 17 puff piece about anti-war organizer Leslie Cagan that she is a co-chair of a group called the 'Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism.'

But he left out something even more important—that the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS) is an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA (CPUSA). 'I call her a leftist,' Powell protested, as if that were an accurate and complete characterization of Cagan’s ideology.

Powell, a reporter for the paper that broke open the Watergate scandal, apparently could not find it within his power or ability to reveal that Cagan is a co-chair of a group dominated by former veteran CPUSA members such as Angela Davis. The CCDS Web site refers to the Communist Manifesto as a 'stirring document' that is relevant today.

Powell’s article did acknowledge that International ANSWER, the Workers World Party (WWP) front group behind several Washington, D.C. protests, was a 'Marxist-Leninist grouping that glorifies North Korea...' But he then ignored the hard evidence of Cagan’s communist connections and travels to Cuba. It’s clear that Powell was trying to present Cagan, the head of a rival anti-war group called United For Peace and Justice, as a more responsible activist without the WWP baggage. He could only do that by insulating Cagan from the taint of communism or even socialism."
http://www.aim.org/publications/weekly_column/2003/04/23.html

World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime

Both Maxine Waters and John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, are signers of the Revolutionary Communist Party call to "Drive Out the Bush Regime".

Click on the World Can't Wait link just below and see: "Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include". Conyers' endorsement appears right after Ward Churchill's. Maxine 'We'll Take Over Your Companies" Waters' is further down. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Jr's are also there:
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2538&Itemid=2

Fact: World Can't Wait--Drive Out the Bush Regime is a MAOIST- revolutionary movement initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary Communist Party. (scroll down the list that appears (after clicking link) to find the World Can't Wait organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party):
http://rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm

From David Horowitz's FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: World Can't Wait (WCW)

*Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the Bush administration

*Organizes college and high-school students

*Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7213

Los Angeles riots of 1992:
"[Maxine] Waters has been criticized for her comments regarding the Los Angeles riots of 1992. In defense of the people that looted stores and damaged property, Waters said 'If you call it a riot it sounds like it was just a bunch of crazy people who went out and did bad things for no reason. I maintain it was somewhat understandable, if not acceptable. So I call it a rebellion.'[5] She also said it was 'a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice' and 'The anger in my district is righteous. I'm just as angry as they are.' She responded to the mass looting of Korean-owned stores by saying: 'There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes. They are not crooks. Everybody in the street was not a thug or a hood.'"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxine_Waters#Los_Angeles_riots_of_1992

From David Horowitz's FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
"Throughout its history, one of RCP's [Revolutionary Communist Party] principal objectives has been to foment civil unrest in the United States. The most notable example of such efforts occurred on April 29, 1992, when RCP members looted and trashed the downtown and government districts of Los Angeles, triggering the infamous Rodney King riots. During the days immediately preceding the violence, RCP -- which maintained close ties to the L.A. gangs known as the Crips and the Bloods -- had circulated throughout South Central Los Angeles a leaflet featuring a statement by RCP National Spokesman Carl Dix, titled 'It's Right To Rebel' -- a quote popularized by Mao Zedong.

Encouraged by Dix, RCP activists helped lead the riots that would leave 58 people dead, more than 2,300 people injured, some 5,300 buildings burned, and $1 billion in property damaged or destroyed. On the ten-year anniversary of the rioting, RCP member Joseph Veale fondly recalled the violence as 'the most beautiful, the most heroic civil action in the history of the United States.'"
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6197

"The RCP upheld the 1992 sometimes-violent unrest in Los Angeles and nationally as a 'rebellion' in the aftermath of the Rodney King verdicts. Then-LAPD chief Daryl Gates alleged that the RCP was involved in the 'riots'. Los Angeles has long been one of the RCP's larger and more active branches. William 'Mobile' Shaw was a local leader who recently passed and received public commendation from the party."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party%2C_USA

From the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party (revcom.us or rwor.org) :
"Create Public Opinion, Seize Power: We are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is a major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and wage a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of winning. And we have said that building our party itself is the most important part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the waging of that armed struggle.":
http://revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm

About Sunsara Taylor (from the World Can't Wait-Drive Out the Bush Regime website):
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3809&Itemid=40

Sunsara Taylor on FOX's "The O'Reilly Factor" Jan. 4, 2007:
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3588&Itemid=12

From the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party, rwor.org or revcom.us:
Countdown to Betrayal … or Mobilize to DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME?
By Sunsara Taylor, June 4, 2006
http://rwor.org/a/049/fall-2006-elections-betrayal-sunsara.html

From Sunsara Taylor's Blog, Friday, December 01, 2006:
Statement from RCP [Revolutionary Communist Party] NY Branch: JUSTICE FOR SEAN BELL! 50 MORE REASONS -- WE NEED REVOLUTION
http://sunsara.blogspot.com/2006/12/statement-from-rcp-ny-branch-justice.html

30 posted on 06/24/2008 9:23:56 AM PDT by ETL
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To: river rat
I have also wondered why BOR and H&C keep inviting the likes of Rev. Sharpton.

However, Dan Abrams is even worse. He - and CNN also - have invited the sleazy Willie Brown, a strong defender of Rev. Jim Jones, as an "expert" TH. BTW, Brown called press criticism of Jones as, among others, "racist."

Dan Abrams and Olberman have become increasingly shrill and full of envy as they attack FOX News and Lou Dobbs on CNN.

31 posted on 06/24/2008 9:41:59 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: TheBattman
It always seemed more than strange that McCain would want to have a reunion with his former captors - people who he said tortured him, and a friendly one at that. Recently Cindy went to visit Vietnam. Not the way a normal person would have behaved.
32 posted on 06/24/2008 9:47:05 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: ETL

Now, THAT was informative!
And - disheartening.

Looks like we’re not being properly served by anyone I can think of.


33 posted on 06/24/2008 10:03:47 AM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Did you sign up on FRee Republic just to bash McCain?

Oh, definitely NOT!!! In fact, when I was a few weeks newer here, a lady (?) on here really let me have it because I’ve been SUPPORTING JS McCain!

If you’ve read any (or more) of my previous posts, I’m obsessive about how extremely dangerous b. hussein obama is!!!

gee, sorry you misunderstood. While I would love to see a more conservative candidate as our nominee, in light of what we’re up against, McCain is our best hope of all to (hopefully) defeat the Enemy, BHO, because he appeals to the broadest base of voters.

Believe me, I consistently try to point out the good things about JSM to many here who don’t like him at all, but I’ve always been a glass is half-full person, focusing on the positives, and there are several about JSM - my own #1 priority (as I’ve often said) is national security/foreign policy. I just pray that he’ll beat b. hussein AND that he’ll make this issue his own #1 priority - we’re going to need it.


34 posted on 06/24/2008 8:24:32 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: OKIEDOC

By the way, while I’m at it :-))) let me say that I discovered FR quite by accident-or serendipity, and it’s been a blessing, enriched my life - I’ve learned so much here (every day!) yes, I’m thankful for FR, so just keep me on the straight and narrow whenever I get out of line! :-)))))))))))))


35 posted on 06/24/2008 10:23:43 PM PDT by llandres (I'd rather be alive and bankrupt than dead and solvent)
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To: ETL
You are right.

But we are yet in the dreg-days of "affirmative action" in public conversations. Should there be a special investigative report done via visual media on say, Black Liberation Theology, you-know-who would pull out the stops and DEMAND the network offer free "equal" time to the opposing point of view, which would amount to a recruitment drive FOR (say) Black Liberation Theology.

During the 90s, literacy was below the visual charts in re pub ed students and scores. So, conservatives fought to bring back literacy to the spotlight in public education.

Communists figured massive retaliation, and so they agreed Literacy should be foremost! And thus began the proliferation of multi-culturalistic "literacy" as goals in the schools.

Science and math are now forgotten subjects at many pub ed schools; the Communists figure to agree, and they now are promoting Global Warming as their programs for improving science and math in the schools. Prior to the drop in math and science, the communists had "rainforest" math and science as their banner, but conservatives once again proved that students graduating from schools which taught "rainforest math" couldn't do basic math. Hence, the drop. Now, watch "science" become the goal, as communists agree with conservatives as to the importance of science and math.

The whirled spins.

By my estimates, we are currently in the "sound byte" wars. A stage which precipitates the next "achievement" benchmark to be attained to.

By this, I mean to commiserate with your lament; but to exhort you to recall that those who are truly looking for information and answers, still do and can find those of a like kind who are either providing or looking for the same information.

Communists are dangerous? No kidding.

If it weren't for our Constitution, and our civility here in the U.S., we'd all see very clearly the enemies of America far more clearly; more openly.

But our constitution details very specific freedoms which includes the freedom to see those enemies or not.

Come November, we shall all see a very specific thing about the people called Americans, and what they do or do not see.

36 posted on 06/25/2008 4:40:06 AM PDT by Alia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s a perfect propaganda ploy: claim to be on someone’s side and then question their honesty.

Moreso, it gave that jailer one more chance to injure John McCain.

If one thinks about it, this carefully crafted attack on McCain is PROOF that he was tortured.


37 posted on 06/25/2008 6:57:41 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: ETL

I mean, even the dopiest democrat, would HAVE to wake up and see how dangerous these people really are.


I appreciate your frustrations but I don’t think Rush or the others specifically identifying Ayers and Dohrn and Wright as communists (BTW, the Weather Underground was also funded by the KGB via World Peace Council) would make much difference. You and I already understand Obama is a cutout for Marxist revolutionaries but most of his supporters don’t really care that much. The American people are on a collision course with communism and will find out for themselves what it is. On our side of the aisle all we need do is get our act together and in 4 years be ready to drive a stake through the heart of American communism. Remember, this is a form of government that ALWAYS fails.


38 posted on 06/25/2008 7:03:41 PM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I am pretty sure that McCain spoke about Earl Cobeil They flogged him to death. The bloody B@st@rds.

After “Fidel” failed in having any of his group released, the “Cuba Program” continued without any real purpose or meaning. Two weeks later I moved to another room with Paul Schultz. I rarely saw “Fidel” again, except on one or two occasions. “Fidel” had been working with some other men and it appeared that one of them, Earl Cobeil, was resisting “Fidel” to the maximum. Of course, “Fidel” was retaliating. Several days after I was moved, Earl Cobeil was moved in with Don Waltman into the room next to mine. Waltman said Earl was all mixed up in his mind. On one occasion, one of the guards, Grimsey, came to the shower area and took us back to our room. “Fidel” was standing at the door. All three of us lined up. I had moved into this room with Waltman and Cobeil. We went to the shower, then we came back. So Waltman and I bowed, but Cobeil just stood there again. I said, “Hey, Cobeil, bow.” Nothing happened. Suddenly Grimsey raised his leg and pushed his foot against Cobeil¹s body, who went tumbling over toward the back of the room. “Fidel” yelled loudly at Cobeil to stop cheating him or he would teach him a lesson he would never forget. The door closed.

After having seen “Fidel” for almost every day for six months, I knew that “Fidel” was going to get his way. He was not going to let the Vietnamese see him fail in any endeavor. I was convinced that he would take a man to any length to get what he wanted. In addition, the difference between the Vietnamese and “Fidel” was that more or less once the Vietnamese got what they wanted they let up at least for awhile. Not so with “Fidel.” There wasn’t a day that went by that there weren’t threats or warnings to all of us. I was in this room with Cobeil and Waltman now; and for the rest of the quiet hour, Waltman and I tried everything imaginable to get Cobeil to come down to earth, but we were unsuccessful. Shortly after the gong sounded ending the quiet hour, “Fidel” came to the door and told me to come outside. “Fidel” asked me if Cobeil was squared away. I told him that in my honest opinion, Cobeil was not at all rational; if he continued working Cobeil over, Cobeil would never make it. I was hopeful that he would believe me about Cobeil.

He accused me of trying to help Cobeil cheat him. The door was closed, locked, and bolted. I started to talk to Cobeil again for a few minutes, when all of a sudden, “Fidel” jumped up in the window, holding the bars, screaming in his loud voice, “I caught you, I caught you cheating me.” Seconds later the door slammed open. “Fidel” screamed to me, get out, get out. A few minutes later “Fidel” returned with what looked like a fan belt of a car, but cut so it was like a whip. As “Fidel” passed by he looked at me with a glaze in his eyes of an enraged madman. “Fidel” went in after Cobeil with Grimsey and Cedric. I could hear the thud of the belt against Cobeil’s body again and again as “Fidel” screamed. I guess Cobeil was hit around 20 or 30 times. It was hard to listen, as I did, to “Fidel” beating Cobeil, a frail, diminutive man, his wrists swollen three times the normal size, a vacant stare in his eyes already pushed by torture beyond the limit for which he might have a chance to regain his sanity. It had been far easier for me to endure the straps than to have to go through this. The guards all stood around talking loudly, laughing and yelling in Vietnamese. When I saw “Fidel” with the fan belt, I was sur-prised, because up to that time I had never heard of anyone getting hit like that. As I stood there with my crutches, my heart and mind overflowed with emotion. It was the most sickening feeling to hear what was going on and know there was nothing I could do about it.

That was the last day I saw Cobeil. “Fidel” unmercifully beat a mentally defenseless, sick man to death. He, as well as the North Vietnamese Communists, must bear full responsibility for that and other acts

39 posted on 06/25/2008 7:07:50 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Dante3
In Feb the BBC was playing the line that the Cubans were not involved in torturing our POW's.

That with Gore Vidals recent comments sends up red flags, real red flags that this is a concerted effort to put into question his time while a POW.

40 posted on 06/25/2008 7:13:46 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free, freerepublic.com baby)
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