Obama's bogus certificate (con't) What Hawaii's Vital REcords trold me today

The Greater Evil (Townhall.com) ^ | 06/23/08 | Polarik

[Polarik]

OK, here's the 411 on Hawaii's "Certification of Live Birth.

  I just got off the phone after talking with their Vital Records office and the Office that issues these certifications.

 HAWAII NO LONGER ISSUES COPIES OF ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATES. WHAT THEY ISSUE IS THIS COMPUTER-GENERATED CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH THAT IS PRINTED ON GREEN PAPER USING A LASER PRINTER.

  In other words, folks, we are not going to get any other kind of certificate from the Vital Records division of the Hawaiian government, except this certification.

 OHSM 1.1 is the number of the Certification of Live Birth form, and the most current version of it is Rev 11/01 -- or, what we have seen in both images.

  So, a person (such as a family member) who is authorized to obtain one of these for an individual born in Hawaii, would receive this Certification regardless of when the birth occurred.

  HOWEVER, they absolutely referred to African-Americans born in Hawaiio as "BLACK" and not African, and no updates to the race classifications were ever made. If your birth certificate said "BLACK" in 1961, it would still say, "BLACK" on a Certification printed today.

 BUT they also told me that, for it to be a "certified" copy, it HAS to be stamped with the seal of Hawaii and the signature block, and then signed by the Dispersement office and not Vital Records.

 

  According to our Census Bureau, all statistical reports produced by the Bureau use the terms White, Black, Hispanic origin, and White, not of Hispanic origin, were used for all census years for consistency of presentation, even though, there have been changes in terminology in census reports, including from Negro to Black between 1970 and 1980 and from Spanish origin to Hispanic origin between 1980 and 1990.

  The conclusion?

 Calling the image of Obama's "Certification," that we have seen, a "birth certificate," is a valid statement insofar as the State of Hawaii distributes these as legitimate records of birth, providing that they have been properly certified as mentioned above.

However, all of the evidence I've examined to date points to what is a deliberate graphical modification of a copy of an original, or even a copy of a copy, given its degree of degradation.

The image of Decosta's Certificate shows that it HAS ALL OF THE CERTIFICATIONS that the Hawaiian Health Department issues, whereas the image of Obama's Certificate shows ZERO EVIDENCE OF EVER BEING CERTIFIED. 

According to the caveat at the bottom of this certification, ANY ALTERATIONS RENDER IT INVALID.

Or, in other words, this image -- or the source of this image -- cannot be used as "prima facie evidence" in defense of any legal challenge to Obama's date, place, and time of birth, since it has not been certified by the issuing party as being a true and accurate representation of the facts on file.

All Obama would need to do to make this issue go away, is to request that Hawaii's office of Vital Records send him a properly CERTIFIED "Certificate," laser printed on the original green paper, that has no evidence of tampering or alteration.

[AmericaUnited]

What took Nixon out was THE COVERUP, not the crime.

Same thing applies here. An offical Obama website has certified the document to be true. If that is false, and even if the real doc has exactly the same information, IT IS THE ORIGNAL DECEIT/LIE that does the damage.

[muawiyah]

Others who have a great deal of technical knowledge about photoshop and similar composition programs have addressed all of your questions.

The conclusion is that a document was scanned and then prepared for display on the net.

I'm rather surprised some jokester hadn't gone further, maybe turned Obamasama into an Imam when he was born, and given him two African fathers.

Rule #1 regarding material on the net ~ it is fundamentally "fake". None of it's made out of paper, nor can we date the ink.

[Polarik]

Oh, and I forgot to mention the telltale borders, the mystery of the unmatched corners.

If ypou have seen the borders on Pat Decosta’s COB (Certificate of live Birth) and compared them to OBama’s COB, they look quite different, and I’ve been unsuccessful in reconstructing Obama’s borders from Decosta’s by doing such things as desaturization, color depth reduction, brightness and gamma uncreases, and so on.

I still wind up with a border that does not resemble Obama’s. Since the patterns on Decosta’s border are uniform (and those on Obama’s are not), any changes made to them occur uniformly.

It may be possible that the scan of Obama’s COB was done without closing the cover of the scanner. This would produce either lighter (or even darker) areas wherever the paper document was not flat against the scanner glass.

However, you would NOT see the lightened effect on all four sides of the borders unless the document was bent or bowed only in the middle.

Even in that unlikely scenario, there would be gradations on the scan that ran from the middle to the edges that would include the text and background as well. That is, if the borders were not lying flat on the scanner glass, neither would the adjacent text and green patterns, and you would be able to see them go from light and fuzzy to dark and clear.

No such modulation occurs, leacing the likelihood that the borders were drawn in.

One curious oddity corroborating that likelihood is the fact that the left and right vertical ends of the border overlap the horizontal top and bottom borders ON THE DAILY KOS image, but on the SMEARS image, these vertical ends do not overlap the horizontal borders but are exactly flush with them.

For those of you who use a graphics program to draw and align polygons, you know that the program has a feature called “SNAP TO” which allows the user to perfectly align objects along their edges, or along a common grid pattern.

In the SMEARS image, the edges of the vertical and horizontal borders are clearly aligned, while in the KOS image, these edges overlap. The person who provided the image for the SMEARS website likely took the time to use the “SNAP TO” feature of their graphics program, whereas the person who provided the KOS image likely did it by eye alone, OR, used a “SNAP-TO” grid that was misaligned along the edges of the horizontal border.

Some graphics programs have an “ALIGN” feature that would align two or more drawn shapes along their horizontal and vertical edges, or align them using a generated, underlying grid.

The only way to get individual shapes like borders to be perfectly aligned is to make their width and length as multiples of the grid unit, and then snap their edges to the grid.

It still does not resolve the reasons why the edges of the vertical border sections in the KOS image ovelap the edges of the horizontal border sections, whereas there are no overlapped edges in the SMEARS image.

Looking closely at the borders on the Decosta image, one can also see that the vertical and horizontal border sections are perfectly aligned.

[Babu]

Fake but accurate??

Perhaps Barry can hire Dan Blather to defend him on this one.

[pissant]

Yes, it has been shown conclusively that this type of modern printed document is used for birth certification, but as you know, that is not the issue.

The issues are: a) Evidence that the Kos/Obama version has been tampered with, b) no official certification at all, and c) these modern docs do not even come close to revealing the kind of information that would be revealed on a copy of his birth certificate.

[pissant]

Possibly, but since it is phony document, it’s one hell of a herring.

[pissant]

One curious oddity corroborating that likelihood is the fact that the left and right vertical ends of the border overlap the horizontal top and bottom borders ON THE DAILY KOS image, but on the SMEARS image, these vertical ends do not overlap the horizontal borders but are exactly flush with them.

Indeed. I pointed that out a couple weeks ago here.

[AmericaUnited]

The person at the Obama camp who created this forgery and sent it to Kos went “Oops...”, after reading about the border flaw, and then carefully corrected it, thinking no one would notice.

[pissant]

Or vice versa

[xiangchi]

I found this opinion (supposedly) from an attorney:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/hawaii-vital-records-question-1/#more-386

“Hawaii Vital Records, Question 1
June 24, 2008

...This entry focuses on one of those questions: Why does Obama’s Certification of Live Birth say “Date Filed with Registrar” in the lower left area, in contrast to Patricia Decosta’s certification (offered for comparison), which says “Date Accepted by State Registrar.”...

You can see a larger version of both images on Polarik’s blog...

Readers have offered intriguing ideas. Here is an excerpt from one comment:

As an attorney allow me to work backwards here. Given my familiarity with legislating I submit that the State of Hawaii had a system in place wherein if a proposed certificate of birth was submitted by a hospital or registered medical facility it would, as a matter of administrative rule, be routinely approved and accepted by the State and a Birth Certificate issued. However, if not born in a major hospital or registered medical facility then further proof would be needed upon submission of the proposed certificate. In the instant matter, while a proposed certificate was filed with the Registrar it was not accepted for any number of reasons.

Where a proposed certificate is not accepted then an applicant can ask for a hearing or otherwise submit proof surrounding the circumstances of birth for purposes of having a birth certificate issued. My guess is that Barrack’s (sic) mother never provided adequate proof to the Registrar of the circumstances surrounding Barrack’s birth. This may be because Barrack was born elsewhere, adopted, or who knows…

And here is a quote from another reader:

Here’s my crazy theory based on trying to make a pastiche document myself:
1. The original document was an application to register the baby. That’s why the father is African and the bottom says “filed” on Barack’s.
2. The second document used was either a real certification or a blank form.
3. The artist captured the black part of the original and pasted it over the blank form. That’s why the letters are a little weak looking.
4. The black spot was either a blank because it was a blank form, or it was someone else’s BC and the numbers had to be blanked out.
5. The application was rejected. If it had been accepted, it would have had a number and said accepted.

This is all presuming that the applications are entered in a format that is compatible with the final Birth Certification…

Now, I tried to ask Vital Records why two different Certifications from their office on the same form would use different language, one “filed” and one “accepted” and I was abruptly put on hold for an unusually long period of time, after which I was told that they could not comment and I was referred to another number, where no one answered.”

??

[HawaiianGecko]

"If the mother’s race is Caucasian and not White, why would the father’s be Black and not Negroid or Negro?"

Having been a systems professional for nearly forty years, I can assure you that when converting one system to another, changes can are usually are made.  I can clearly imagine a line of code that says.

  If UPPER(OldSystem.Race)    =    'NEGRO' or OldSystem.Race   =  'NEGROID'  OR OldSystem.Race     =  'COLORED'
 
       NewSystem.Race = 'BLACK'

Else

   NewSystem.Race = OldSystem.Race

End

Add(NewSystem)



When DBAs create new databases, fields with known validity checks are created.  The 'Race' field is going to have the current world options, not the options that were in vogue 50 years ago or all the options that someone can think of.  Any database architect that would allow the following options would be laughed out of his profession.

 

[AmericaUnited]

Now, I tried to ask Vital Records why two different Certifications from their office on the same form would use different language, one “filed” and one “accepted” and I was abruptly put on hold for an unusually long period of time, after which I was told that they could not comment and I was referred to another number, where no one answered.”

BINGO!

[Polarik]

With all due respect, for me, the only issue that matters is the one that I alone raised, which is that key pieces of text on the Obama document were deliberately REPLACED for some as yet unknown purpose.

The altered text IS the issue, for it says right on the “modern document” that any alteration invalidates the document.

We cannot know if Hawaii used AFRICAN as a race, but IT DOES NOT MATTER, since we have not determined what they could or could not list.

What does matter is that the text was altered, and perhaps the reason why this document has no seal or signatures is intentional.

Why?

Did the Kos or Smears ever state that this is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Obama?

I don’t think so.

They have committed fraud, but have they broken any state or federal laws by posting these and calling them Obama’s birth certificate?

Sadly, NO!

That’s the rub.

[Polarik]

From the Vital Records website: Letters of Verification Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request. Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies. The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter. So, is this unstamped and unsigned version of the "Certification of Live Birth" that is posted a "Letter of Verification?" Could it be that anyone can get a "Letter of Verification" if they know they right information to request?? Is there anyone with ten bucks to spare willing to fill out the app for this letter? Here is the link: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf

[txhurl]

Like another freeper mentioned: if McCain’s eligibility were questioned and in response he sent a forged birth certificate to Rush to disseminate, imagine the outrage.

The only way we’re going to get this covered is if somebody blows up the forgery to 4’x5’ and gets filmed in the crowd of GMA, or some such, and then sends the footage to a rival morning show.

[OneLoyalAmerican]

Greetings Polarik:

Barry's Mommie was a military brat who made a poor decision, her son Barry is NOT an anchor baby. Hawaii birth record nuances will never play well with a demonstratively ignorant American public. Face it, Barry IS the democRat candidate.

What will, Mr. Smartypants OLA?

Barry Hussein Obama is just another sleazy Chicago democRat machine product. Barry's behavior brings new meaning to his tome: "The Audacity Of Hope."

Barry's situation is far worse than accepting dirty Abramhoff type campaign donations. Barry personally benefits; he lives in a Chicago homestead, purchase price reduction gifted through the eight time convicted political fixer, Tony Resco. That is the Chicago democRat's Achilles' heel.

Unfortunately, Juan McCain's own political scandal will make this a "Pot calling Kettle" spin job for Barry's yapping lap dogs of the MSM.

Food for thought,
OLA

[pissant]

They may not have broken any laws, since it is obviously not an ‘official’ document. But they are presenting it as legitimate on Obama’s very own website. If not a legal problem, then it is certainly an enormous political problem for him. And I will say the fact that the border alignment is NOT the same for the Kos and Obama version - is absolute proof that this was an electronically shared document rather than a scanned hardcopy.

[Polarik]

"Others who have a great deal of technical knowledge about photoshop and similar composition programs have addressed all of your questions."

Uh...not really...

Answer this question, and you can prove your point:

Can any of these "Others" of whom you speak, take Patricia DeCosta's certificate, and using Photoshop or a similar program, change her date of birth to November 8, 1964, and make the change so undetectable that I would be unable to find any differences between the original typeface and the altered one??

[muawiyah]

Probably.

You are aware, of course, that there are consummate artists in this world who can do this stuff one pixel at a time.

[Polarik]

"You are aware, of course, that there are consummate artists in this world who can do this stuff one pixel at a time."

Of course. That's why I chose the date I did, so that even someone doing a pixel by pixel transposition would have to guess at what the missing characters might look like since there would not be any exemplars on the original. Even if the artist got hold of several certificates, there is no guarantee of getting it right, because, at the pixel level, the trained eye would still be able to find differences between two successive sheets of printed text that came out of the same printer. Guess wrong on one pixel, and you screw up the whole thing. There is such a thing as making a forgery TOO GOOD.

Obviously, it was not the case with Obama's.

Whoever created this mess never suspected that anyone would bother to break down the typeface, pixel by pixel. ;-)