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NOW let's compare "apples to apples" [Obama birth certificate controvery, part 2]
Townhall ^ | 6/22/08 | Polarik

Posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited

 

NOW let's compare "apples to apples"

Or, since this involves Hawaii, "pineapples to pineapples:"

With many thanks to Bloggers TexasDarlin, Freeper, and Shainzona, I am posting a copy of Hawaiian-born, Patricia Decosta's certified "Certification of Live Birth," which is what this Certification should look like. If you go back to the points I raised in my original post, specifically about the differences in typeface, letter artifacts, and the border, these points are further reinforced from comparing Decosta's certified document with Obama's uncertified one.

Once again, here is Obama's uncertified (and suspect) "Certification of Live Birth":

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And, now, Ms. Decosta's certified (and not suspect) "Certification of Live Birth:"


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For comparison purposes, I created a cropped image of each that are approximately the same dimensions in terms of image height and text height. Additionally, each image -- one for Obama's and one for Decosta's -- has approximately the same amount of JPG compression.

Before comparing these and deconstructing them, I draw your attention to the previous images showing the entire certificates. Both have the same "tag line" indicating the form number and revision, OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER, and the "prima facie evidence" statement.

Given that both have that same tag line, one can assume, for the moment, that this tag line does appear on valid COB's produced by the Office of Health Status Monitoring during the time that Rev. 11/01 was being used.

However, the thing that should jump out at you, besides the visual differences in the typefaces, are the obvious, visual differences in the borders.

But, first, let me reiterate what is my main contention about the images posted on the Daily Kos and Fight The Smears websites.

I maintain that a copy of a real, Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth was graphically modified to resemble what Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" might look like, IF, and only IF, it were a genuine reproduction of a genuine document.

Thus, the crux of my argument is as follows:

Because the image of Obama's copy has so many distinct, visual differences from the image of a copy certified as accurate, like Ms. Decosta's, and that these visual differences represent what could only result from a deliberate, graphical modification of an existing image, that the image itself, and the paper copy it purports to represent, casts doubt on the validity of the claims made for them.

These claims are
that Barack Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" does exists somewhere, and that the JPG images posted on the Daily Kos and Fight The Smears websites are genuine reproductions of it.

As I highlighted in my first post, the evidence says otherwise. Here are close-up views of both the Obama and Decosta images:


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The typeface on the Decosta image is much darker and thicker, and has less kerning (spacing between the letters), than the Obama image. Moreover, the color of the green paper comes through almost all of the letters regardless of magnification or image compression.

By comparison, you will not see the grey and white pixels found between the letters on the Obama image.

When you enlarge the letters in the Decosta image, they all tend to remain solid, especially letters like "I, L, B, E, H," that continue to look the same no matter how large you make them. Conversely, when you enlarge the letters in the Obama image, they start to fall apart -- that is, they start losing pixels. This is exactly what happens to bitmapped text created by a graphics program.

OK, now let's compare the borders of both images.

In the Obama image -- or, should I say, "images," because the edges of the vertical borders in the Kos image overlap the horizontal ones, whereas the Smears image has them lining up -- the pattern is different from the Decosta image.


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The borders in the Obama image might be extremely faint versions of the Decosta image, but then why is so much image information missing, if not because it was a bad reproduction to begin with.

Other bloggers have already noted the reversed, embossed seals and signature imprints that appear on the Decosta image but which are totally absent on the Obama image. The conclusion from this would be that the Obama image never had them, for if they did, wouldn't they be prominently shown as verification?

We still have more questions than answers


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; elections; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: ClearCase_guy
I think people are very wrong to see this as a non-issue.

I agree. Not drawing any conclusions, but something is "off" about this. It's just too easy to provide a copy of something like a birth certificate, so the question arises why not just do it.

41 posted on 06/23/2008 4:42:23 PM PDT by Bahbah (Typical white person)
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To: Bubbette

The documents are of the same vintage, that is, recently laser printed on the form “OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01).” I can understand a different font - laser printers have many fonts available. The boarder is a different issue though - unless that is also printed on the form, rather than part of the form.


42 posted on 06/23/2008 4:43:06 PM PDT by GregoryFul
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To: devane617

Personally? I think his birth certificate states his mom was single and that’s why he doesn’t want anyone to see it.


43 posted on 06/23/2008 4:47:19 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Abraham Lincoln would have let Berkeley leave the Union without a fight)
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To: Right Cal Gal

“My birth certificate had my footprint. Anyone else’s.”

I don’t think that was your actual Birth Certificate, rather something the hospital gives out.

Birth Certificates are issued by the state registrar of births or somesuch, where they don’t have access to your feet.

:)


44 posted on 06/23/2008 4:48:52 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: jveritas

Well, tell us how to beat him, then; we’re kinda running out of ideas here.


45 posted on 06/23/2008 4:48:56 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: jveritas
Do you really believe that Obama is not a natural born US citizen?

Do you really believe he is? There's enough there to pursue this question further.

46 posted on 06/23/2008 4:49:01 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: devane617
devane617 said: "...and, it’s still a non issue"

What do you propose as a reason to black out the certificate number?

47 posted on 06/23/2008 4:51:28 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: kidd

People seem to be confused because the birth dates are different. That doesn’t matter - these birth certificates were produced in 2005 and 2007 (not 1930 and 1961) using a computer program. They are not copies in the sense of a scan of the original document.

That said, there’s no proof that Obama’s certificate has been altered or is a fake. For one the two certificates were printed in different years so it’s plausible that the paper used to print was different (different borders etc). It’s actually quite likely - I have certificates from different years that are not graphically the same.

You would need to get a sample of certificates from the same year. It’d be even better to get a vital statistics person to verify whether or not they ever used the stock that Obama’s is printed on. You could maybe find out who supplies vital statistics with the paper and ask them (they might use a private company to produce it and that private company might be more willing to talk to you).


48 posted on 06/23/2008 4:52:18 PM PDT by SVW
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To: freespirited

There is enough evidence to doubt that what Obama has presented is a genuine copy of his birth certificate, but it is not proved.

Now you have a contact in Hawaii, you need to request that contact to take a copy of Obama’s certificate to someone who would know better if it was fake.

If they are trying to pass off a phony birth certificate, that is fraud and I am sure illegal in Hawaii. It would be a big risk for them to try it. Either the certificate is valid and differences can be explained by different printers, etc. Or, it is phony and those who created it are subject to criminal penalties.

All this speculation is getting us nowhere. More definitive action needs to be taken to determine what the truth is.


49 posted on 06/23/2008 4:53:12 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: William Tell

...ok, so since this is SO important to you, why don’t you tell me/us what exactly you believe is going on, and why. i’m all ears, and eyes...make the case you see and i will have an open mind, but to this point , “IT IS A NONE ISSUE!!!”


50 posted on 06/23/2008 4:55:01 PM PDT by devane617 (we are so screwed)
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To: Bubbette
The only “answer” I have for the differences is that there are 30 years between the two documents.

No try again. They are both printed some time after November of 2001.

51 posted on 06/23/2008 4:57:00 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: SVW
That said, there’s no proof that Obama’s certificate has been altered or is a fake.

Maybe not proof that it is a fake, but there is definitely proof that it has been altered. See that big black box where the certificate number should be? That is an alteration of a certified document (leaving out absence of certification embossment or signature), making the document useless as proof of anything by language on the document itself.

Once the document has been certified by the state, any alterations made to it invalidate the certification because it is no longer in the same condition as it was when certified.

-PJ

52 posted on 06/23/2008 4:57:52 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: SVW
That said, there’s no proof that Obama’s certificate has been altered or is a fake.

There is not a visable embossed seal on the Obama doc. I confirmed that 1) There has always been one one these docs, 2) It would be highly visiable on the front.

53 posted on 06/23/2008 4:58:59 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: devane617
devane617 said: "why don’t you tell me/us what exactly you believe is going on, and why. "

I believe Obama was adopted after being born to non-citizens in a foreign country and is therefor ineligible to be President.

54 posted on 06/23/2008 5:01:24 PM PDT by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: All

FOLKS! NO EMBOSSED SEAL, NO DEAL!

Why is that hard for anyone to understand?


55 posted on 06/23/2008 5:03:44 PM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Mr. Lucky
It's also possible that any state - including Hawaii - will certainly update and change details in the format of its documents from time to time. Have to notice that there a couple of decades between these two documents.
A propos of nothing, my birth certificate from Honolulu, Hawaii c. 1945 is a white lettering on black background mimeograph. Entirely different.
56 posted on 06/23/2008 5:07:44 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (If you don't like your middle name, that's your problem.)
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To: jveritas

Please...at the end of the day when this birth certificate forgery is outed, it will be all about the rogue graphics designer person who was doing something he/she/it thought was WEEELLLL INTENNNNNTIONED. Obama may remain blameless, but the stain of malfeasance will stay on his empty suit.

So, by all means, get to the bottom of this mystery.


57 posted on 06/23/2008 5:15:25 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: txflake

Obama is a defeatist and a socialist that is how you defeat him.


58 posted on 06/23/2008 5:17:48 PM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Mr. Lucky
Different printers and different purchase lots of the form would be expected.

That's true but would the printer change the wording? On Obama's it states "DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR", on the other "DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR".

I haven't been following this but what strikes me at first glance on the Obama document is the lack of official seal and the fact that it has never been folded, it looks too new.

59 posted on 06/23/2008 5:19:58 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland (4-Hshootingsports.org)
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To: Mr. Lucky
"Different printers and different purchase lots of the form would be expected."

Don't sell to the government do you....

60 posted on 06/23/2008 5:23:19 PM PDT by norton
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