Posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited
I agree. Not drawing any conclusions, but something is "off" about this. It's just too easy to provide a copy of something like a birth certificate, so the question arises why not just do it.
The documents are of the same vintage, that is, recently laser printed on the form “OHSM 1.1 (Rev 11/01).” I can understand a different font - laser printers have many fonts available. The boarder is a different issue though - unless that is also printed on the form, rather than part of the form.
Personally? I think his birth certificate states his mom was single and that’s why he doesn’t want anyone to see it.
“My birth certificate had my footprint. Anyone else’s.”
I don’t think that was your actual Birth Certificate, rather something the hospital gives out.
Birth Certificates are issued by the state registrar of births or somesuch, where they don’t have access to your feet.
:)
Well, tell us how to beat him, then; we’re kinda running out of ideas here.
Do you really believe he is? There's enough there to pursue this question further.
What do you propose as a reason to black out the certificate number?
People seem to be confused because the birth dates are different. That doesn’t matter - these birth certificates were produced in 2005 and 2007 (not 1930 and 1961) using a computer program. They are not copies in the sense of a scan of the original document.
That said, there’s no proof that Obama’s certificate has been altered or is a fake. For one the two certificates were printed in different years so it’s plausible that the paper used to print was different (different borders etc). It’s actually quite likely - I have certificates from different years that are not graphically the same.
You would need to get a sample of certificates from the same year. It’d be even better to get a vital statistics person to verify whether or not they ever used the stock that Obama’s is printed on. You could maybe find out who supplies vital statistics with the paper and ask them (they might use a private company to produce it and that private company might be more willing to talk to you).
There is enough evidence to doubt that what Obama has presented is a genuine copy of his birth certificate, but it is not proved.
Now you have a contact in Hawaii, you need to request that contact to take a copy of Obama’s certificate to someone who would know better if it was fake.
If they are trying to pass off a phony birth certificate, that is fraud and I am sure illegal in Hawaii. It would be a big risk for them to try it. Either the certificate is valid and differences can be explained by different printers, etc. Or, it is phony and those who created it are subject to criminal penalties.
All this speculation is getting us nowhere. More definitive action needs to be taken to determine what the truth is.
...ok, so since this is SO important to you, why don’t you tell me/us what exactly you believe is going on, and why. i’m all ears, and eyes...make the case you see and i will have an open mind, but to this point , “IT IS A NONE ISSUE!!!”
No try again. They are both printed some time after November of 2001.
Maybe not proof that it is a fake, but there is definitely proof that it has been altered. See that big black box where the certificate number should be? That is an alteration of a certified document (leaving out absence of certification embossment or signature), making the document useless as proof of anything by language on the document itself.
Once the document has been certified by the state, any alterations made to it invalidate the certification because it is no longer in the same condition as it was when certified.
-PJ
There is not a visable embossed seal on the Obama doc. I confirmed that 1) There has always been one one these docs, 2) It would be highly visiable on the front.
I believe Obama was adopted after being born to non-citizens in a foreign country and is therefor ineligible to be President.
FOLKS! NO EMBOSSED SEAL, NO DEAL!
Why is that hard for anyone to understand?
Please...at the end of the day when this birth certificate forgery is outed, it will be all about the rogue graphics designer person who was doing something he/she/it thought was WEEELLLL INTENNNNNTIONED. Obama may remain blameless, but the stain of malfeasance will stay on his empty suit.
So, by all means, get to the bottom of this mystery.
Obama is a defeatist and a socialist that is how you defeat him.
That's true but would the printer change the wording? On Obama's it states "DATE FILED BY REGISTRAR", on the other "DATE ACCEPTED BY STATE REGISTRAR".
I haven't been following this but what strikes me at first glance on the Obama document is the lack of official seal and the fact that it has never been folded, it looks too new.
Don't sell to the government do you....
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