Posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited
I am not trying to prove anything. I posted this blogger’s work because it’s clear the topic is of interest to a lot of FReepers.
No, the Obama document has a bleed-through datestamp of Jun 6, 2007 on the back. The DeCosta document has a datestamp of Sep -9, 2005 on the back. So these documents were more recent than 1986.
-PJ
Obama is a uniter, not a divider. Just ask any Marxist or Lenninist.
“Troll, or just a little slow on the uptake?”
Neither. Just pointing out that a DU poster could simply cut and pasted this thread with the comment “Look at those loons!” and have a field day with it. I’ll wager that the Obama camp gets more traction from NOT responding to the controversy and letting the other side froth at the mouth.
Bust on obama for not wanting to drill, or bust on him for not supporting Israel., or ust on him for being inexperienced, but this is just silly.
My point was that 1986 was when the law changed, requiring the new generation of documents.
Count Dracula? :o)
The Decosta document is not an original but a “certified copy”. You can tell by the raised, embossed seal, with the signature of the official verifying the copy. The Obama document does not have this seal, so that is what makes it suspect to me.
I don’t believe that anyone at DU wants the information discussed on this thread to get any legs at all.
Obama is holding office based on a forged document. He definately was not born in the U.S. and therefore, since he never applied for citizenship, is not elligible to hold any office.
They want him bad. The media have pulled out all the stops for him. He is their “Blessed Hope” (and that is the meaning of his Arabic name)
Ive casually researched Obamas birth history over the past several days. As you know it’s largely taken from his own auto-bio and has never been corroborated by anyone independently.
Heres what I and others have found:
1. TWO HOSPITALS LISTED AS BEING WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN
I googled Obamas birthplace and got the following:
From Wikipedia
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama )
Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kansas.
COMMENT:This is different from what other sites list including Obama friendly sites. They state that OBAMA was born at Queens Medical Center.
( see:http://www.barackobamaismyhomeboy.com/biography )
ALSO: Kapiolani Hospital did not open until 1989 although the Hospital for women and children was open at the time.
This discrepancy in my mind is interesting BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY.
2. NO RECORD OF BIRTH OR MARRIAGE OF PARENTS.
I searched via the pay investigative site Ancestry.com for Barry or Barack Obama, or Barry or Barack Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham etc. and keyed in also Aug 4, 1961 and Hawaii, and Honolulu etc. and came up with no record of a birth or marriage. Others have checked this through similar but different searches and also found nothing.
3. BIRTH CERTIFICATE CLEARLY A FORGERY
The Birth Certificate posted on the Obama website and Daily Kos appears to be a forgery.
Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034411/posts
and
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034476/posts
and this posting of yours
http://beta.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2035307,1
4. NO EYE WITNESSES OF BIRTH
There have been no eye witnesses of Obamas birth from the hospital. No nurse or doctor coming forth to recall caring for the mother or child.
5. KENYAN RELATIVES HAVE TOLD REPORTERS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA
It has been reported that Kenyan relatives initially had said that Obama was born there but are silent about this now.
Please see: http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birth-circumstances-review.html
6. GRANDMOTHER IS KEPT AWAY FROM MEDIA
The grandmother has been kept away from the MSM perhaps because she knows the truth about Obamas birth and parents marital status.
Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2034644/posts
This man is running for the presidency of the United States. It seems fair and proper that the public knows his birth history and pedigree.
As I see it there are two reasons why all this birth speculation might be of importance. There is no Constitutional prohibition against bastards and calling BHO one will only garner sympathy amongst the victimology folks.
Either he was born in Kenya, or the original birth records in Hawaii list BHO senior as what members of the Luo tribe that practiced Islam liked to call themselves, namely Arab. In either case Obama would have some ‘splaining to do.
Also consider that his parents could have been married in Kenya where bigamy might be legal.
I think too, that it’s important to press him on this as it will keep him on the defensive. Kerry and Rather evaded the press and didn’t come forward. Clearly his autobio is a fabrication.
The following is a make believe dialogue between Obama and a reporter. Im waiting for some young enterprising reporter to bring this up. I think the exchange will go someting like this:
Obama is casually answering questions with the press corps assigned to his campaign when a young female reporter brings up a subject that clearly at first unnerves the candidate.
Reporter: Mr. Obama, theres been some talk that your Birth Certificate re-produced online by Daily Kos is not authentic and that youre covering up something regarding your birth history and perhaps your pedigree. Any comments?
Obama: Here we go again, another non issue. Im not hiding anything... Huh...Everything is out there and ...huh...huh...transparent. Ive got nothing to hide if thats what youre ...huh...thinking.
Reporter: Dont you agree that this could be an issue perhaps a smoking gun if you dont address it now?
Obama: (clearly pissed) Address what, Young Lady? My birth history has been well documented in a number of publications including my own autobio.
REporter: Wikipedia says you were born in Kapiolani Medical Center but other sites linked to your site and the Senate lists Queens Hospital. What hospital were you born at?
Obama: Huh...I think I see where youre going with this. ...huh...No one ...huh...has ever brought this up in the numerous campaigns ...huh...that Ive had. ...huh...huh...If you think youre going to Swiftboat me on this youre wrong. End of story.
Reporter: Your grandmother in Kenya has said that you were born in Kenya, is this true?
(Obama turns his back and exits swiftly)
“Obama is holding office based on a forged document. He definately was not born in the U.S. and therefore, since he never applied for citizenship, is not elligible to hold any office.”
This is completely insane.
Running for president requires applying with the federal election commission. There is no way that he would be able to run for president on forged paperwork.
The people on DU would love this thread - but for the wrong reasons.
Yes. I already did that for my passport.
It’s gotten downright ppathetic how bad these “blogggers” want to be the next Buckhead.
The answer to your questions lies in the very first word: IF. If this is NOT a fake copy, then the subsequent questions are meaningless.
So far, what I'm seeing on the discussion looks a lot more like people trying to be experts in something they're not, than discussion of actual facts indicating forgery. People got so excited about the Rather memo that now they think they can talk their way into making another document a forgery as well.
Upshot of the issue: it is standard practice now to generate "official copies" of major documents (ex.: birth certificates) that are entirely unlike the originals yet legally accepted as official. This one could very well be a re-compressed (causing assorted artifacts which most people don't understand) digitally-generated (hence the perfect alignments) copy (produced for a digital-document-centered beaurocracy). Given that the single counterexample given was made a few years from BHO's, I'd not be surprised if the software - and thus the nuances - caused a marginally different appearance.
If it IS an official copy, consistent with current practices, then presenting it as a true copy is legit and BHO is not lying about it. For all the hysteria, there's no smoking gun yet. (Funny, Michelle's tape hasn't surfaced either.)
If it were genuine, the certificate number would not be any of our business.
His mother is an American citizen - that is sufficient.
(Things are bad on our side when I’m vouching for our archnemisis.)
“Bust on obama for not wanting to drill, or bust on him for not supporting Israel., or ust on him for being inexperienced, but this is just silly.”
The birth certificate is hosted on the official Obama site. What if it is a forgery? What would that mean?
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