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NOW let's compare "apples to apples" [Obama birth certificate controvery, part 2]
Townhall ^ | 6/22/08 | Polarik

Posted on 06/23/2008 3:45:52 PM PDT by freespirited

 

NOW let's compare "apples to apples"

Or, since this involves Hawaii, "pineapples to pineapples:"

With many thanks to Bloggers TexasDarlin, Freeper, and Shainzona, I am posting a copy of Hawaiian-born, Patricia Decosta's certified "Certification of Live Birth," which is what this Certification should look like. If you go back to the points I raised in my original post, specifically about the differences in typeface, letter artifacts, and the border, these points are further reinforced from comparing Decosta's certified document with Obama's uncertified one.

Once again, here is Obama's uncertified (and suspect) "Certification of Live Birth":

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And, now, Ms. Decosta's certified (and not suspect) "Certification of Live Birth:"


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For comparison purposes, I created a cropped image of each that are approximately the same dimensions in terms of image height and text height. Additionally, each image -- one for Obama's and one for Decosta's -- has approximately the same amount of JPG compression.

Before comparing these and deconstructing them, I draw your attention to the previous images showing the entire certificates. Both have the same "tag line" indicating the form number and revision, OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01) LASER, and the "prima facie evidence" statement.

Given that both have that same tag line, one can assume, for the moment, that this tag line does appear on valid COB's produced by the Office of Health Status Monitoring during the time that Rev. 11/01 was being used.

However, the thing that should jump out at you, besides the visual differences in the typefaces, are the obvious, visual differences in the borders.

But, first, let me reiterate what is my main contention about the images posted on the Daily Kos and Fight The Smears websites.

I maintain that a copy of a real, Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth was graphically modified to resemble what Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" might look like, IF, and only IF, it were a genuine reproduction of a genuine document.

Thus, the crux of my argument is as follows:

Because the image of Obama's copy has so many distinct, visual differences from the image of a copy certified as accurate, like Ms. Decosta's, and that these visual differences represent what could only result from a deliberate, graphical modification of an existing image, that the image itself, and the paper copy it purports to represent, casts doubt on the validity of the claims made for them.

These claims are
that Barack Obama's "Certification of Live Birth" does exists somewhere, and that the JPG images posted on the Daily Kos and Fight The Smears websites are genuine reproductions of it.

As I highlighted in my first post, the evidence says otherwise. Here are close-up views of both the Obama and Decosta images:


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The typeface on the Decosta image is much darker and thicker, and has less kerning (spacing between the letters), than the Obama image. Moreover, the color of the green paper comes through almost all of the letters regardless of magnification or image compression.

By comparison, you will not see the grey and white pixels found between the letters on the Obama image.

When you enlarge the letters in the Decosta image, they all tend to remain solid, especially letters like "I, L, B, E, H," that continue to look the same no matter how large you make them. Conversely, when you enlarge the letters in the Obama image, they start to fall apart -- that is, they start losing pixels. This is exactly what happens to bitmapped text created by a graphics program.

OK, now let's compare the borders of both images.

In the Obama image -- or, should I say, "images," because the edges of the vertical borders in the Kos image overlap the horizontal ones, whereas the Smears image has them lining up -- the pattern is different from the Decosta image.


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The borders in the Obama image might be extremely faint versions of the Decosta image, but then why is so much image information missing, if not because it was a bad reproduction to begin with.

Other bloggers have already noted the reversed, embossed seals and signature imprints that appear on the Decosta image but which are totally absent on the Obama image. The conclusion from this would be that the Obama image never had them, for if they did, wouldn't they be prominently shown as verification?

We still have more questions than answers


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; elections; obama; obamatruthfile
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To: Tenacious 1

I am not trying to prove anything. I posted this blogger’s work because it’s clear the topic is of interest to a lot of FReepers.


121 posted on 06/23/2008 9:15:25 PM PDT by freespirited (A Democrat is a person who lives in fear that someone, somewhere is proud to be an American.)
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To: editor-surveyor
After 1986.

No, the Obama document has a bleed-through datestamp of Jun 6, 2007 on the back. The DeCosta document has a datestamp of Sep -9, 2005 on the back. So these documents were more recent than 1986.

-PJ

122 posted on 06/23/2008 9:24:46 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (Repeal the 17th amendment -- it's the "Fairness Doctrine" for Congress!)
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To: jveritas

Obama is a uniter, not a divider. Just ask any Marxist or Lenninist.


123 posted on 06/24/2008 12:23:43 AM PDT by CT (Conservative in hibernation.)
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To: Auntie Mame
What’s the difference between “date filed by state registrar” and “date accepted by state registrar”?

I take it that it's a different way to say the same thing.


Yes, but why are these different at all on the same form for the same thing from the same state?
124 posted on 06/24/2008 5:58:13 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: editor-surveyor

“Troll, or just a little slow on the uptake?”

Neither. Just pointing out that a DU poster could simply cut and pasted this thread with the comment “Look at those loons!” and have a field day with it. I’ll wager that the Obama camp gets more traction from NOT responding to the controversy and letting the other side froth at the mouth.

Bust on obama for not wanting to drill, or bust on him for not supporting Israel., or ust on him for being inexperienced, but this is just silly.


125 posted on 06/24/2008 6:06:25 AM PDT by The Tin Foil Hat
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To: CT
Obama is a socialist and a defeatist and the way to defeat him is to expose him as such and not waste time and energy by going after lunacy such as questioning if he is a natural born US Citizen.
126 posted on 06/24/2008 6:11:51 AM PDT by jveritas (God Bless President Bush and our brave troops)
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To: Political Junkie Too

My point was that 1986 was when the law changed, requiring the new generation of documents.


127 posted on 06/24/2008 8:01:23 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: lainie

Count Dracula? :o)


128 posted on 06/24/2008 8:05:36 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: Migraine

The Decosta document is not an original but a “certified copy”. You can tell by the raised, embossed seal, with the signature of the official verifying the copy. The Obama document does not have this seal, so that is what makes it suspect to me.


129 posted on 06/24/2008 8:16:05 AM PDT by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: The Tin Foil Hat

I don’t believe that anyone at DU wants the information discussed on this thread to get any legs at all.

Obama is holding office based on a forged document. He definately was not born in the U.S. and therefore, since he never applied for citizenship, is not elligible to hold any office.

They want him bad. The media have pulled out all the stops for him. He is their “Blessed Hope” (and that is the meaning of his Arabic name)


130 posted on 06/24/2008 8:17:17 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Jimmy Carter is the skidmark in the panties of American History)
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To: freespirited

I’ve casually researched Obama’s birth history over the past several days. As you know it’s largely taken from his own auto-bio and has never been corroborated by anyone independently.

Here’s what I and others have found:

1. TWO HOSPITALS LISTED AS BEING WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN

I googled “Obama’s birthplace” and got the following:
From Wikipedia

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama )

Obama was born on August 4, 1961, at the Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Obama, Sr., of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya, and Ann Dunham, of Wichita, Kansas.

COMMENT:This is different from what other sites list including Obama friendly sites. They state that OBAMA was born at Queen’s Medical Center.

( see:http://www.barackobamaismyhomeboy.com/biography )

ALSO: Kapiolani Hospital did not open until 1989 although the Hospital for women and children was open at the time.

This discrepancy in my mind is interesting BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCREPANCY.

2. NO RECORD OF BIRTH OR MARRIAGE OF PARENTS.

I searched via the pay investigative site Ancestry.com for Barry or Barack Obama, or Barry or Barack Dunham or Stanley Ann Dunham etc. and keyed in also Aug 4, 1961 and Hawaii, and Honolulu etc. and came up with no record of a birth or marriage. Others have checked this through similar but different searches and also found nothing.

3. BIRTH CERTIFICATE CLEARLY A FORGERY

The Birth Certificate posted on the Obama website and Daily Kos appears to be a forgery.

Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034411/posts

and

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2034476/posts

and this posting of yours

http://beta.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2035307,1

4. NO EYE WITNESSES OF BIRTH

There have been no eye witnesses of Obama’s birth from the hospital. No nurse or doctor coming forth to recall caring for the mother or child.

5. KENYAN RELATIVES HAVE TOLD REPORTERS THAT HE WAS BORN IN KENYA

It has been reported that Kenyan relatives initially had said that Obama was born there but are silent about this now.

Please see: http://alanpetersnewsbriefs.blogspot.com/2008/06/obamas-birth-circumstances-review.html

6. GRANDMOTHER IS KEPT AWAY FROM MEDIA

The grandmother has been kept away from the MSM perhaps because she knows the truth about Obama’s birth and parents marital status.

Please see: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2034644/posts

This man is running for the presidency of the United States. It seems fair and proper that the public knows his birth history and pedigree.


131 posted on 06/24/2008 8:47:19 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: nikos1121

As I see it there are two reasons why all this birth speculation might be of importance. There is no Constitutional prohibition against bastards and calling BHO one will only garner sympathy amongst the victimology folks.

Either he was born in Kenya, or the original birth records in Hawaii list BHO senior as what members of the Luo tribe that practiced Islam liked to call themselves, namely Arab. In either case Obama would have some ‘splaining to do.

Also consider that his parents could have been married in Kenya where bigamy might be legal.


132 posted on 06/24/2008 9:04:41 AM PDT by Poincare
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To: Poincare

I think too, that it’s important to press him on this as it will keep him on the defensive. Kerry and Rather evaded the press and didn’t come forward. Clearly his autobio is a fabrication.

The following is a make believe dialogue between Obama and a reporter. I’m waiting for some young enterprising reporter to bring this up. I think the exchange will go someting like this:

Obama is casually answering questions with the press corps assigned to his campaign when a young female reporter brings up a subject that clearly at first unnerves the candidate.

Reporter: Mr. Obama, there’s been some talk that your Birth Certificate re-produced online by Daily Kos is not authentic and that you’re covering up something regarding your birth history and perhaps your pedigree. Any comments?

Obama: Here we go again, another non issue. I’m not hiding anything... Huh...Everything is out there and ...huh...huh...transparent. I’ve got nothing to hide if that’s what you’re ...huh...thinking.

Reporter: Don’t you agree that this could be an issue perhaps a smoking gun if you don’t address it now?

Obama: (clearly pissed) Address what, Young Lady? My birth history has been well documented in a number of publications including my own autobio.

REporter: Wikipedia says you were born in Kapiolani Medical Center but other sites linked to your site and the Senate lists Queens Hospital. What hospital were you born at?

Obama: Huh...I think I see where you’re going with this. ...huh...No one ...huh...has ever brought this up in the numerous campaigns ...huh...that I’ve had. ...huh...huh...If you think you’re going to Swiftboat me on this you’re wrong. End of story.

Reporter: Your grandmother in Kenya has said that you were born in Kenya, is this true?

(Obama turns his back and exits “swiftly”)


133 posted on 06/24/2008 9:21:20 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Obama, tells us truthfully, where you were born.)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Obama is holding office based on a forged document. He definately was not born in the U.S. and therefore, since he never applied for citizenship, is not elligible to hold any office.”

This is completely insane.

Running for president requires applying with the federal election commission. There is no way that he would be able to run for president on forged paperwork.
The people on DU would love this thread - but for the wrong reasons.


134 posted on 06/24/2008 9:39:42 AM PDT by The Tin Foil Hat
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes. I already did that for my passport.


135 posted on 06/24/2008 10:32:18 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (If you don't like your middle name, that's your problem.)
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To: freespirited

It’s gotten downright ppathetic how bad these “blogggers” want to be the next Buckhead.


136 posted on 06/24/2008 11:48:14 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: sirchtruth
If this is a fake copy of Obama's BC, why is it presented as a true copy? The issue is why is Obama allegedly LYING about this?

The answer to your questions lies in the very first word: IF. If this is NOT a fake copy, then the subsequent questions are meaningless.

So far, what I'm seeing on the discussion looks a lot more like people trying to be experts in something they're not, than discussion of actual facts indicating forgery. People got so excited about the Rather memo that now they think they can talk their way into making another document a forgery as well.

Upshot of the issue: it is standard practice now to generate "official copies" of major documents (ex.: birth certificates) that are entirely unlike the originals yet legally accepted as official. This one could very well be a re-compressed (causing assorted artifacts which most people don't understand) digitally-generated (hence the perfect alignments) copy (produced for a digital-document-centered beaurocracy). Given that the single counterexample given was made a few years from BHO's, I'd not be surprised if the software - and thus the nuances - caused a marginally different appearance.

If it IS an official copy, consistent with current practices, then presenting it as a true copy is legit and BHO is not lying about it. For all the hysteria, there's no smoking gun yet. (Funny, Michelle's tape hasn't surfaced either.)

137 posted on 06/24/2008 12:07:45 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: editor-surveyor
If it were genuine, the certificate number would not be blanked out.

If it were genuine, the certificate number would not be any of our business.

138 posted on 06/24/2008 12:08:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: Poincare

His mother is an American citizen - that is sufficient.

(Things are bad on our side when I’m vouching for our archnemisis.)


139 posted on 06/24/2008 12:10:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (The average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so. - Ratatouille)
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To: The Tin Foil Hat

“Bust on obama for not wanting to drill, or bust on him for not supporting Israel., or ust on him for being inexperienced, but this is just silly.”

The birth certificate is hosted on the official Obama site. What if it is a forgery? What would that mean?


140 posted on 06/24/2008 12:12:56 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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