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UK: Young UK Muslims 'turning to jihad'
The Telegraph ^ | 6/21/2008 | Patrick Sawer

Posted on 06/21/2008 4:38:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Extremists are winning the battle for the hearts and minds of Britain's young Muslims, a disturbing police report warns.

Increasing numbers have become so alienated from mainstream society that they could even lend their support to jihadi terrorism, the study claims.

While most reject violence, many distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists.

The report was commissioned by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) after last year's failed bomb attacks in London's West End and at Glasgow Airport. It is to be discussed at Acpo's annual conference this week.

In the most comprehensive research of its kind to date, Prof Martin Innes, of the Universities' Police Science Institute in Cardiff, led a team of researchers which carried out face-to-face and telephone interviews with more than 600 Muslims in London, Birmingham and Oldham.

They found that the radicalisation of young British Muslims was more widespread than previously feared, with "a disturbing proportion" expressing support for extremist elements.

The report, which is being distributed among senior officers, Whitehall officials and ministers, finds that:

• Anger and disaffection are "widespread in sections of Muslim youth".

• There is tacit support for extremist violence within sections of the Muslim community.

• Police need to do more to win the trust of Muslim communities if they are to tackle radicalisation.

• Many Muslims distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists, preferring to deal with problems inside their communities.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: birmingham; bristol; diversity; eurabia; exeter; globaljihad; internet; islam; jihad; jihadineurope; london; londonistan; mosques; muslim; muslims; oldham; ukmuslims; youths
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1 posted on 06/21/2008 4:38:43 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Big surprise there.


2 posted on 06/21/2008 4:40:08 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: bruinbirdman

I don’t think they can do anything to dissuade them from jihad. It is in their blood. The only thing that stops them is when they meet an anti-jihadist.


3 posted on 06/21/2008 4:40:28 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: bruinbirdman

“Diversity! It’s our strength!”


4 posted on 06/21/2008 4:40:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (De-Globalize yourself !)
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To: bruinbirdman

paging capt. oblivious.


5 posted on 06/21/2008 4:42:56 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: Parmy
I don’t think they can do anything to dissuade them from jihad. It is in their blood. The only thing that stops them is when they meet an anti-jihadist with a loaded gun.

There. Fixed it.

6 posted on 06/21/2008 4:43:11 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians' BS.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Is it because they sense that the native culture is weakening and their’s is strengthening? Same thing happened in the Baltic republics as the Soviet Union was breaking up. The West has all the advantages, except the Will to win—and that is the most important one of all.


7 posted on 06/21/2008 4:44:06 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: bruinbirdman
Police need to do more to win the trust of Muslim communities if they are to tackle radicalisation.

Just like American liberals. If we gain their trust, if we just talk to them then maybe they'll like us.

They will not acclimate, they want you to acclimate to their culture!

Stuck on stupid!

8 posted on 06/21/2008 4:45:47 PM PDT by PROCON (No more politics, I promise!)
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To: bruinbirdman
What's to worry about?

I have it on good authority from a Muslim I saw on the teevee a few years ago who told me that 'Jihad' just means 'to struggle within oneself to find the peaceful spirit of Islam'.

England, good luck to you.

9 posted on 06/21/2008 4:47:09 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: bruinbirdman

Stage 1:
Start immigrating - move into a country quietly

Stage 2:
Begin starting churches: “learning centers”
community helps: food etc.

Stage 3:
Political activism: demanding rights, denounce
derogatory comments/press etc.

Stage 4:
Get elected, pass laws favoring rights etc. move toward
political majority

Stage 5:
Political control, Sharia Law


10 posted on 06/21/2008 4:48:03 PM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
You called, citizen?


11 posted on 06/21/2008 4:48:48 PM PDT by PROCON (No more politics, I promise!)
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To: bruinbirdman
Perhaps punishment for High Crimes against the Crown should return to the olden days in severity and permanency. I think you can well figure out from English 15th & 16th Century history what I'm suggesting.
12 posted on 06/21/2008 4:50:57 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: bruinbirdman
While most reject violence, many distrust police and are reluctant to inform on extremists

This sounds like the problems France was having with all the Muslim young people, what was it last year, when they were burning cars and rioting. They want US to change our ways to be like their's. Like hell. They come to the western countries, they need to adjust their ways to OUR'S. When in Rome,........

13 posted on 06/21/2008 4:51:52 PM PDT by antiunion person (President McCain, what a disgusting phrase.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Prince Charles to Islam:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JF04Ak01.html


14 posted on 06/21/2008 4:56:10 PM PDT by acoulterfan
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To: All; abu afak; JohnathanRGalt; backhoe; piasa; RDTF
ARTICLE SNIPPET:

"Across Britain, the security services have said they are tracking 2,000 individuals suspected of having links to terrorism, investigating 200 networks and monitoring 30 plots. Professor Innes's report warns that Islamist terror groups are increasingly operating away from traditional Muslim areas, and are seeking new ways to radicalise vulnerable young people."

15 posted on 06/21/2008 5:05:59 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: PROCON
no, not you.

Your cousin, Capt. ObLIVIOUS.


16 posted on 06/21/2008 5:06:25 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the media vs. the people.)
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To: bruinbirdman

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.
Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.
‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’
It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.


17 posted on 06/21/2008 5:13:31 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: bruinbirdman

Regarding Muslim behavior based on demographic percentage of population, I dug this out from a couple of years ago...
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam:
The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’
When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source

CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their
colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons. ‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against
the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’. Also, remember in “Highlander”...in the end there can be only ONE!

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.


18 posted on 06/21/2008 7:55:19 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: Cindy

“Across Britain, the security services have said they are tracking 2,000 individuals suspected of having links to terrorism......I have read recently from a Brit newspaper that it takes routinely 15 personnel to monitor one suspect for each 24 hour period. Labor intensive. Hard to keep up with the requirement..pay is low, and educational level is considerable.


19 posted on 06/21/2008 8:00:42 PM PDT by givemELL
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To: bruinbirdman
Change

we can believe in!

20 posted on 06/21/2008 8:07:35 PM PDT by bannie
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