Posted on 06/20/2008 3:37:19 PM PDT by NewJerseyJoe
Has anyone penned a "what if" scenario?
Thanks FReepers.
Yeah, right agter Texas! :oP
I think we have the papers drawn up and in the "lock box" just in case?
If the issue was free speech rights, the libs would be for full right of the indivual including newspapers and turdbuckets.
Printing only a portion of my post is rather misleading. The purpose was to make up for some of the disastrous payments for their services. It was “personal”, not done for any military pupose. He’s very clear on the point.
>Feb 2009: full national gun bans ala England, Austrailia and Canada passed after a lone nut school shooting.<
Feb 2009: I move wife and belongings to Montana in expectance of secession. Rent/buy/build home larger than needed in expectance of numerous guests.
>June 2008 over 400 trials for treason held of former government employees.<
Elected officials are not government employees. (I presume this is whom you were referring to.)
Many states already have militias. Some are state operated, some aren’t. The legal definition may change somewhat.
I quoted a portion to draw attention to the part that interested me. I understand that it would have been for personal use, and I understand that it was to supplement the inadequate and uneven payments for wages. Those issues from the Revolutionary War are well known and well documented.
But none of that is responsive to my question, which was: did they get to keep their weapons?
I was only saying that it seems like an eminently sensible proposition.
I believe that the US has just made an agreement with Canada, that Canadian Forces may be used in the US to put down civil disturbances and that US assets may be used to transport them.
There also is a question of how many in the US Armed Services would fire on US citizens.
In any event, keep your powder dry.
Four justices will.
But will Anthony Kennedy?
There's something different today though, Sam. Back in the Waco, Ruby Ridge days, the 10% of us who were online knew both sides of the subject, but the vast majority of Americans only knew what the MSM was telling them. While there were those who disagreed wit the government, most people didn't have enough information to see how egregious the government actions were.
Today, with a large majority of Americans having ACCESS to information if they want it, things are different. MSM and Jon Stewart can ridicule conservatives all they want, but people are getting a chance to hear our perspective on things, and the left isn't winning hearts and minds with propaganda nearly as easily. While one may cite the Global Warming mania as evidence against this point-of-view, the latest data on that is that as soon as people see that they are personally paying their $$$ for feel-good global warming policies (at the gas pump, at the grocery store, in their power bills), their support is melting away. Most people will support something that sounds nice verbally and in polls, but when it comes to supporting with the cash in their own pocket or bank account, it's a whole 'nuther story!
People were outraged at Kelo V New London, and most states were forced to modify their own laws on eminent domain because of it. Even more people will be outraged if Heller goes against a personal right.
Especially since Katrina, people I would never have thought it of have gotten guns for personal protection. Forums that focus on survival skills are doing quite nicely too, because of the number of people worried about what another "Katrina" would do in their lives. A lot more people believe in self defense now that they see the authorities may be 3-5 days away ;-)
You were right. June 2008.
I was trying to be...vague, thank you very much. ;o)
Pediction: the court will recognize an individual right, with a long and ambiguous waffle/fudge at the end; the various states will then pay no attention whatsoever.
Disturbing, but true.
Montana has already voted and submitted the papers earlier this year. Part of Montana agreeing to become a state was that the federal government couldn’t dictate to them on guns laws - which the feds agreed to. Not that I think that they would have a snowball’s chance in hell of actually being able to do it (at least not just by some paper-work). Unfortunately.
Well said.
Well I sure hope so.
For that matter, where I live out in the county, all I've got for backup is the sherriff's deputy, and I've called them twice in the time I've lived here (kids shooting at a tank.) Once it took 35 minutes for them to show...the second time the particular deputy couldn't find my place, and I told them to forget it!
Mssrs Smith and Wesson were immediately on-hand though every time, and Mr Marlin routinely steps in against coyotes, and the cows, jackrabbits and neighbor goats are supremely obliged!
I have friends who dismiss the rural life and correctly point out that just recently the majority of voting population has moved into the cities.
So I can clearly see the tyranny of the majority and a bunch of city-slicker scotus judges totally discounting, not just Katrina-style protection (or NWO Canadian-troop detainment camps...lol) but simply day-to-day protection for those who can't realistically count on law enforcement for preventative maintenance.
I really want to believe that peoples' eyes have been opened, and that the left is losing ground.....but the scenario I responded to was a hypothetical (posts #3 nd 4) that will tell us where we really are.
If an outright Marxist DOES somehow get elected to POTUS after losing basic rights in Heller...then we will know the wounds to Columbia are mortal. That will mean that there will be more voters out there who are helpless Katrina style wards of the state than there are independent, individualist Americans. If that is proven to be the case, then my point was there will be no revolution as P8triot suggested....it will mean that we're currently living through the last days of the 2nd Gettysburg right now, we're losing, and we don't even know it.
If it turns out that Heller wins and McPain wins, then we live to fight another day.
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