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How Long Does America Have? (Vanity...but GREAT)
June 20, 2008 | Unknown

Posted on 06/20/2008 9:35:48 AM PDT by no dems

This is the most interesting thing I've read in a long time. The sad thing about it, you can see it coming. God help us, not that we deserve it. How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier: 'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.''A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.' 'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years''During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29
Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000 Bush: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million Bush: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.


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KEYWORDS: deathofthewest; fdrkilledamerica; howlong
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1 posted on 06/20/2008 9:35:48 AM PDT by no dems
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To: no dems
"voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury"

The recipients of generous gifts from the public treasury don't vote.


2 posted on 06/20/2008 9:41:18 AM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: no dems

The image that springs to mind is Charlton Heston at the end of the Planet of the Apes seeing the ruined Statue of Liberty and realizing that civilization had “blown up” the world he knew. That seems to be the path we are on.


3 posted on 06/20/2008 9:42:48 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds ("The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.")
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To: no dems

America has just left stage 6 and is entering stage 7.


4 posted on 06/20/2008 9:44:41 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: no dems

Where are we — stage 7?


5 posted on 06/20/2008 9:44:47 AM PDT by Disturbin (Liberals: buying votes with your tax dollars)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

The absolute tragedy of it all is that it does not have to be. It is amazing that the most free, most prosperous nation on earth is going to commit suicide. I may not live to take part in the revolution but fear my son will be forced to take up arms. I believe with 99% certainty that my grandchildren will be caught in the middle of it all.


6 posted on 06/20/2008 9:45:30 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Disturbin

I’d say we have less than 3 years left, it could come as quickly as the next 3 months if the economy collapses.


7 posted on 06/20/2008 9:45:33 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Disturbin

I concur. Stage 7.


8 posted on 06/20/2008 9:47:41 AM PDT by RedCell (Honor thy Father (9/6/07) - Semper Fi)
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To: Bobkk47

I’d probably argue that different people and groups are at different stages.

Some are in 5 or 6. Some have been in 8 for awhile now.


9 posted on 06/20/2008 9:48:37 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: no dems

bttt..to read later


10 posted on 06/20/2008 9:48:42 AM PDT by Guenevere (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all.)
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To: Disturbin

“Where are we — stage 7?”

Yup, beginning on 1/20/09 if Obama wins.


11 posted on 06/20/2008 9:48:43 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: no dems

We’re done for. Too many people on the dole and on the take.


12 posted on 06/20/2008 9:50:15 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Teach your child to be an American. Take him out of public school.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

The warning signs are there.

We may indeed be on that downward spiral.

We do vote ourselves benefits from the public treasury don’t we? And the liberal solution to every problem is to spend more. Liberals think gov’t should spend more to fight homelessness, fight AIDS, improve education, improve healthcare, improve public infrastructure, fight global warming, rebuild levees in flood prone areas, give public assistance money and benefits to help people in poverty.............

You name it, and the solution to the problem is more gov’t spending. And then the employees working for the gov’t then have a vested interest in all of that because their paycheck comes from the continuation and expansion of these gov’t programs.


13 posted on 06/20/2008 9:50:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: no dems
If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

Communism/Marxism is our nation's **most** serious threat. It is **not** Islamofascism! Government K-12 schools are one of the communists **most** important weapons.

The communists have nearly complete control of our government schools. They have infiltrated every level of the government K-12 system. They occupy the colleges of education, the committees that write the curriculum and textbooks, and they and their "Useful Idiots" are found in government ( and some private) classrooms throughout our nation! They are hard at work indoctrinating the next generation voters.

If the communists,( hard at work in our government K-12 classrooms, colleges, and universities,) succeed, all freedom will be lost in the voting booth.

Also,...Our government K-12 schools are ( by communist design) are busy pumping out illiterates and innumerates who will be completely dependent on the government dole. These voters are sure to vote for communists at every opportunity.

14 posted on 06/20/2008 9:50:40 AM PDT by wintertime (A mother is as happy as her least successful child.)
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To: Bobkk47

What are the stages?


15 posted on 06/20/2008 9:53:42 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: no dems

The USA is a 6.575 and accelerating quickly.


16 posted on 06/20/2008 9:59:35 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
my son will be forced to take up arms

Why wait? Let's get it started NOW.

17 posted on 06/20/2008 9:59:51 AM PDT by scooter2 (The greatest threat to the security of the United States is the Democratic Party.)
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Here is an interesting view

http://www.fourthturning.com/html/winter_is_coming....html

Not long ago, America was more than the sum of its parts. Now, it is less. Around World War II, we were proud as a people but modest as individuals. Fewer than two people in ten said yes when asked “Are you a very important person?” Today, more than six in ten say yes. Where we once thought ourselves collectively strong, we now regard ourselves as individually entitled.

Yet even while we exalt our own personal growth, we realize that millions of self-actualized persons don’t add up to an actualized society. Popular trust in virtually every American institution—from businesses and governments to churches and newspapers—keeps falling to new lows. Public debts soar, the middle class shrinks, welfare dependencies deepen, and cultural wars worsen by the year. We now have the highest incarceration rate, and the lowest eligible-voter participation rate, of any major democracy. Statistics inform us that many adverse trends (crime, divorce, abortion, scholastic aptitudes) may have bottomed out, but we’re not reassured.

Optimism still attaches to self, but no longer to family or community. Most Americans express more hope for their own prospects than for their children’s—or the nation’s. Parents widely fear that the American Dream, which was there (solidly) for their parents and still there (barely) for them, will not be there for their kids. Young householders are reaching their mid-thirties never having known a time when America seemed to be on the right track. Middle-aged people look at their thin savings accounts and slim-to-none pensions, scoff at an illusory Social Security trust fund, and try not to dwell on what a burden their old age could become. Seniors separate into their own Leisure World, recoiling at the lost virtue of youth while trying not to think about the future.

We perceive our civic challenge as some vast, insoluble Rubik’s Cube. Behind each problem lies another problem that must be solved first, and behind that lies yet another, and another, ad infinitum. To fix crime we have to fix the family, but before we do that we have to fix welfare, and that means fixing our budget, and that means fixing our civic spirit, but we can’t do that without fixing moral standards, and that means fixing schools and churches, and that means fixing the inner cities, and that’s impossible unless we fix crime. There’s no fulcrum on which to rest a policy lever. People of all ages sense that something huge will have to sweep across America before the gloom can be lifted—but that’s an awareness we suppress. As a nation, we’re in deep denial.

While we grope for answers, we wonder if analysis may be crowding out our intuition. Like the anxious patient who takes 17 kinds of medicine while poring over his own CAT scan, we find it hard to stop and ask: What is the underlying malady really about? How can we best bring the primal forces of nature to our assistance? Isn’t there a choice lying somewhere between total control and total despair? Deep down, beneath the tangle of trend lines, we suspect that our history or biology or very humanity must have something simple and important to say to us. But we don’t know what it is. If we once did know, we have since forgotten.

Wherever we’re headed, America is evolving in ways most of us don’t like or understand. Individually focused yet collectively adrift, we wonder if we’re heading toward a waterfall. Are we?



18 posted on 06/20/2008 10:00:18 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: no dems

I truly feel sorry for our small children and grandchildren who will have to survive in this world in years to come without the USA that we knew.


19 posted on 06/20/2008 10:00:30 AM PDT by J40000
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To: wintertime

“......are busy pumping out illiterates and innumerates who will be completely dependent on the government dole.”

Those who show some spirit are kicked down and those who tow the line are sent to the commie colleges.


20 posted on 06/20/2008 10:00:54 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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