White Working-Class Boys Becoming An Underclass (UK)

The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-18-2008 | Graeme Paton

[blam]

After 40 years of White-male bashing...is anyone suprised?

[brownsfan]

A glimpse of America’s near future.

Not to be racist, but can anyone tell me of a country headed by a black that is well run? I was asked that question, and couldn’t answer. Surely there is one?

[WayneS]

Things are working out exactly as planned

[Wiseghy]

This is probably a peek at the future of the US as well.

Underachievement is an equal opportunity unemployer.

[sinanju]

If you’ve ever read any of Theodore Dalrymple’s columns you wouldn’t be surprised. It’s the inevitable combination of three decades of welfare culture, out-of-control political correctness and the Labor Party’s control of public education.

I’m sure there is a “War Against Boys” angle there too. But liberalism in Britain has created a huge, dysfunctional, violent, drunken, unemployable “Oi!” culture in what used to be called “working-class” whites.

[RC2]

I agree. Why should the white kids do anything when they see everything given to the muslims?

[brownsfan]

“Things are working out exactly as planned”

I disagree. The left is very naieve, and has trouble with thinking things through. My observation would be that the left saw white males as unshakable sources of strength. When there is no strength to be found in white males, those seeking help from white males will be confused and angry.

Much like my workplace. It’s dominated by women now. But in crunch time, when something absolutely has to be done, they look around for some man to get it done. Sorry if my observation sounds sexist.

[Captain Rhino]

Why does this article go out of its way not to mention the college attendance rate for young white male from middle can upper class families?

Also, lower class white men constitute how much of the total population? Lower class white women? How about the lower class white women college attendance rate?

[Tennessee Nana]

Wonder what the percentages are here in America...

[CarrotAndStick]

Minority ethnic groups break through the class barrier – with exceptions

http://www.jrf.org.uk/pressroom/releases/141105.asp

Younger generations from many of Britain's minority ethnic groups are succeeding in breaking through the class barrier. Educational achievements have helped children of working-class parents in the Caribbean, African, Indian and Chinese communities to obtain managerial and professional jobs at a faster rate than their white counterparts, according to research for the Joseph Rowntree Foundation.

But the study, based on surveys tracing children's progress over 30 years, finds that young people from the Pakistani community are an exception. Although their parents are heavily concentrated in the working class, they show less upward mobility than children from white manual workers' families. Bangladeshis are similarly disadvantaged but unlike young Pakistanis, this can be more readily explained by education and other characteristics of their backgrounds.

Lucinda Platt, a Lecturer in the Sociology Department at the University of Essex, analysed data from the Office for National Statistics Longitudinal Study on 140,000 children who grew up between the 1960s and the 1980s. Her research showed that family background and class had an important influence on later employment: children whose parents were in the managerial or professional classes were more likely to end up in higher-status jobs, even after account was taken of differences in educational achievement. Coming from a more advantaged background also tended to reduce their chances of unemployment.

An expansion in professional and managerial occupations over the past 30 years has created more 'room at the top', giving rise to an increase in upward mobility. Even so, a comparison between children whose parents were born overseas and white children of parents born in the UK showed young people from many minority ethnic groups were making disproportionate progress.

• After controlling the data for family background differences, Caribbean, Black African, Indian and Chinese young people were more likely to have found professional or managerial jobs than their white, non-migrant counterparts. This was consistent with evidence that migrants often experienced downward mobility on entering Britain and that they hold strong aspirations for their children – which may have been part of their original reason for migrating in search of a new life.
   
• Upward mobility among children from minority ethnic groups was due to their educational achievements. This suggested that migrant parents often encouraged and motivated their children to gain good qualifications
   
• The general picture did not apply to children of Pakistani migrants. Their class disadvantage, relative to young people from other ethnic groups, could not be explained by differences in family background, or differences in their education. However, these factors did help to explain the class disadvantage found among children of Bangladeshi migrants.
   
• Looking at differences between religious groups, the study found that second-generation Jews and Hindus tended to be more upwardly mobile than their Christian counterparts after controlling for background factors. Muslims and Sikhs were less likely to have moved into higher paid employment than their migrant parents. These differences could not simply be explained by ethnic origin.
   
• Lucinda Platt said: "This study shows that social class and privilege have retained their importance in the past thirty years in assisting young people to access the educational opportunities that help them into higher status jobs. Britain is still a long way from being a 'meritocracy' where social class no longer plays a part in determining children's chances of well-paid careers.

"There is good news to the extent that a disproportionate number of the young people who are upwardly mobile are the children of parents who came to this country as migrants. But their welcome progress is no cause for complacency – especially when it appears to be so much harder for young people from Pakistani or Bangladeshi families to get ahead. We need to do much more to understand why this is happening and the extent to which factors such as racial discrimination are involved."

[Clemenza]

Most of the smarter members of the white working class (my grandparents) saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, and encouraged their kids to go to college and get the hell out of "the old neighborhood." There are millions of cases of this happening around the country.

Nevertheless, you still have populations in places like Northeast Philadelphia and upstate New York where the grandparents/parents didn't have such an attitude and instead said things like "forget college, you can always get a job at the plant/mill." Among these people, you already see the emergence of a white underclass. These are the girls you see selling themselves to buy smack under the Frankford Avenue El in northeast Philly, or the guys stealing copper fixtures in Buffalo for money.

If you have a specialized skill (even without a college degree) than you are OK. If you went through life thinking that an unskilled job would be provided for you, or, if that failed, the city would pay you $50,000 a year to operate an elevator, than you are out of luck.

[skeeter]

What - you thought all these activists protesting discrimination all those years really wanted “equality”?

[wideawake]

Not to be racist, but can anyone tell me of a country headed by a black that is well run?

Belize.

[Clemenza]

Turks and Caicos.

Barbados (some corruption, but admittedly better than New Jersey).

Bermuda.

[wideawake]

Good analysis.

The notion of the 1950s - namely that every man born in America would be guaranteed, at minimum, a union job with benefits and pension that he could never be fired from - is still alive and well in many segments of the population.

People who fail to compete, who are apparently unaware that there even is a competition, will lose.

[brownsfan]

Thanks.

[Myrddin]

Just six per cent of white boys eligible for free school meals went to university compared to 26 per cent of working class young men from ethnic minority backgrounds.

There's a clue. Eligibility for "free school meals" indicates parentage that didn't do well enough in school to economically prosper. The fruit doesn't fall far from the tree. Perhaps this specific group isn't particularly bright. How are the white males who don't qualify for free school meals doing in comparison?

[L,TOWM]

like my workplace. It’s dominated by women now. But in crunch time, when something absolutely has to be done, they look around for some man to get it done

Preach it, Brother!

4 more months and I am out of here, into my own company under the management team of me, myself, and I.
When I am busting my buttocks for a client next year, 100% of the check will go into my pocket.

[Straight Vermonter]

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. The days of blue collar unionized workers making as much as college grads is over. Of course unionized government workers are exempt.

[tvdog12345]

Botswana also.