I think Americans would know how to deal with this crap.
Posted on 06/18/2008 9:19:33 AM PDT by Stoat
By Charlotte Gill
Last updated at 4:34 PM on 18th June 2008
Two youths were seen wearing niqab-style face masks and wielding a sword after a 14-year-old boy was stabbed, locals have claimed.
One was heard to say 'I'm going to kill him' as the pair walked calmly down a residential street chatting at about midday yesterday.
The schoolboy was knifed in the chest just yards away at 5pm on Tuesday.
He collapsed in a pool of blood in front of drinkers outside a pub as they enjoyed an after work pint.
Forensic officers investigate the scene of a stabbing attack which left a 14-year-old boy fighting for his life
A terrified local, who saw the sword-wielding teens but did not want to be named, said: 'I saw two boys wearing Muslim women's headgear but normal clothes otherwise and you could see only their eyes.
'One of them was carrying a sword with a huge blade over a foot long which looked like something you would use to gut a lamb.
'I saw them and my heart was gone. I've never been so terrified.
'Although I could only see their eyes I could see their hands as well and they were two black boys, tall, probably about six feet and I would guess they were 16 or 17 years old.'
They were less than 50 yards from the Tabard Garden Estate in Southwark, South East London, when the boy was attacked after a row among teenagers on an astro-turf football pitch in a park.
The pair were spotted by a number of locals going into a block of flats right by the scene of the stabbing.
Another local who did not wish to be named said: 'They were just walking up the street calmly chatting in the middle of the day while they wearing masks and openly carrying a blade.
'I heard one say to the other "I'm going to kill him." It was completely unbelievable, I've never seen anything like it, what is this country coming to?
'I've lived in this area for years and have always felt safe, but not anymore. The government has to do something about this, they need to take some tough action because things are getting worse.'
Eddie Suleyman, 32, chef at the Roebuck pub who saw the boy collapsed on the ground, said: 'It was horrific - everyone was shocked.
'At one stage there were two girls treating the poor boy. One was beside him crying and the other was trying to stem the blood from his wounds.
'At first we thought it was an epileptic fit because we didn't notice any blood to start with and he just kind of toppled over.
'A girl stopped to try and help him. Then more and more people were running around to help.
'When one girl turned around and was crying, because she realised what had happened, we realised as well.
'About 25 people were around the boy by the time the air ambulance showed up so it was hard to see exactly what was going on and I couldn't see just how much blood there was.
'But when he was lifted into the back of the ambulances you could see there was blood everywhere. It was awful.'
The victim, who is of Caribbean origin, was taken by helicopter to the Royal London Hospital in east London where his condition remains 'critical'.
A Metropolitan Police spokesperson said: 'At this early stage, it is believed the victim was involved in an altercation with a number of youths prior to the incident. We retain an open mind as to any motive.'
Police have appealed for witnesses to come forward.
The boy is the latest in victim of knife crime in the capital. A total of 16 teenagers have been murdered in London in 2008 while 27 teens were killed in the capital 2007.
I think Americans would know how to deal with this crap.
I sometimes need to use a cane. But, it’s not exactly just a cane,,,,,,,,,
"FBI Agent Bob Rudge said the cane-shaped weapon fired shotgun shells..."
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What is clearly needed here is more multicultural understanding. Gordon Brown should contact the Muslim Council of Britain immediately.
Above all, we should be on the lookout for a possible backlash against peaceful muslims for ... (you know the rest)
Oh, really?...Really?...Really, Officer Biggles, you retain an open mind as to the motive? Really? Really?! REALLY?! A motive, like, say, this...
“...in danger of being labeled a ‘racist’ and having his / her career destroyed as a result.”
This will only end when we take the sting out of that word. Someone calls you a racist, say: “Yes, I am a racist, so what?” It is not illegal, after all, as long as you don’t discriminate, you don’t have to like it. I would be willing to bet that everyone is at least a little bit racist.
OTOH, IIRC there have been several instances of "leaders" trying to sneak away wearing full Burkas in Afghanistan. So if you see a 6' 6" "lady" in a burka with really big eyes and bushy eyebrows, report it to the nearest US Military or Homeland Security facility.
“I think self-defense is illegal in England isn’t it?”
No, it isn’t.
It isn’t?
You mean you can carry a weapon to defend yourself? You can fire your shotgun at home invaders without fear of reprisal?
I must have missed that.
“You mean you can carry a weapon to defend yourself?”
Not so much, that’s not the question you asked though.
“You can fire your shotgun at home invaders without fear of reprisal?”
If they are posing a threat to you then yes. If you shoot them when they’re running away, that would be a problem. I believe most US jurisdictions would take a similar approach.
Maybe this might be of assistance:
http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/householders.html
“Anyone can use reasonable force to protect themselves or others, or to carry out an arrest or to prevent crime. You are not expected to make fine judgements over the level of force you use in the heat of the moment. So long as you only do what you honestly and instinctively believe is necessary in the heat of the moment, that would be the strongest evidence of you acting lawfully and in selfdefence. This is still the case if you use something to hand as a weapon.
As a general rule, the more extreme the circumstances and the fear felt, the more force you can lawfully use in self-defence.”
“What if the intruder dies?
If you have acted in reasonable self-defence, as described above, and the intruder dies you will still have acted lawfully. Indeed, there are several such cases where the householder has not been prosecuted. However, if, for example:
* having knocked someone unconscious, you then decided to further hurt or kill them to punish them; or
* you knew of an intended intruder and set a trap to hurt or to kill them rather than involve the police,
you would be acting with very excessive and gratuitous force and could be prosecuted.”
“What if I chase them as they run off?
This situation is different as you are no longer acting in self-defence and so the same degree of force may not be reasonable. However, you are still allowed to use reasonable force to recover your property and make a citizen’s arrest. You should consider your own safety and, for example, whether the police have been called. A rugby tackle or a single blow would probably be reasonable. Acting out of malice and revenge with the intent of inflicting punishment through injury or death would not.”
Ok, interesting. I stand corrected.
Best,
AR
Philadelphia has a large contingent of African-American Muslims, and I used to see nijab-wearing women fairly frequently.
One reason for its embrace by both men and women, is that it identifies a Muslim woman as "one of ours", for reasons of control by the Muslim community, and for identifying non-Muslim women as acceptable targets for assault and rape. The latter is especially the case in Europe.
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