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Report Finds Little Gain From Vouchers
The Washington Post ^ | June 17, 2008 | Maria Glod and Bill Turque

Posted on 06/18/2008 6:35:43 AM PDT by Amelia

Students in the D.C. school voucher program, the first federal initiative to spend taxpayer dollars on private school tuition, generally did no better on reading and math tests after two years than public school peers, a U.S. Education Department report said yesterday.

The findings mirror those in previous studies of the D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program...

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: education; schools; vouchers
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1 posted on 06/18/2008 6:35:43 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA; abclily; aberaussie; albertp; AliVeritas; A_perfect_lady; ...

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2 posted on 06/18/2008 6:36:19 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

WashPo covering for Barry Obama - again.


3 posted on 06/18/2008 6:36:54 AM PDT by ConservativeMajority (If war isn't the answer, you're asking the wrong question.)
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To: Amelia

But did the customer service levels of the schools improve?


4 posted on 06/18/2008 6:39:46 AM PDT by Keith Brown (Among the other evils being unarmed brings you, it causes you to be despised Machiavelli.)
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To: Amelia

I wonder if those voucher students had lower rates of discipline problems, drug abuse, etc.

And even if it does nothing for urban students (which I doubt is the truth anyway) I think they should still be open to everyone in the US. I see no reason why parents who want to privately educate their children should have to pay for it twice.


5 posted on 06/18/2008 6:40:18 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Amelia

Bad sign, but still far too early to can the program. Let vouchers run their course properly (five years should be the minimum), then make a decision about retaining it, refining it or abandoning it.

Whatever happened to a little patience and foresight?


6 posted on 06/18/2008 6:40:44 AM PDT by Reaganomical
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To: Amelia
Washington DC schools are the third most expensive in the nation ($13,500 per student).
Washington DC schools are the fourth worst in the nation (graduation rates)

You're telling me that private schools, when given $13,500 per student can't perform better??

The US Dept of Ed is lying.

7 posted on 06/18/2008 6:43:16 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Et si omnes ego non)
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To: Amelia
When are the do-gooders going to learn that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Better schools only work when students want to be better students, and that drive has to come from within the student and from within the home. Until that happens, all of these programs are just going to continue to be a waste of taxpayer money.
8 posted on 06/18/2008 6:44:17 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Amelia

From the article: “Students who previously attended struggling schools — a group the program is designed to help — showed no boost in test scores compared with their peers. Grover J. “Russ” Whitehurst, director of the institute, said one possible explanation is that those children lagged far behind academically and had trouble adjusting to what may be a more demanding classroom.”

This is probably quite accurate....that these students had some trouble adjusting to more academic demands. It is also important to note that they were looked at after only 2 years in the private schools. This is insufficient time to ascertain what is really taking place with their learning curves. It is equally obvious that the public schools want that $$$$ (as if it will bring any good results).


9 posted on 06/18/2008 6:44:32 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Reaganomical

I can’t agree more - the whole concept is to find out where the “good” schools are and allow migration of the school populations to these better schools. The good schools get the funding, and must be allowed to be selective of their students. This is a thing called competition!

The worse schools see the students voting with their feet/vouchers. This doesn’t happen over night!


10 posted on 06/18/2008 6:45:12 AM PDT by fremont_steve (Milpitas - a great place to be FROM!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

...The US Dept of Ed is lying...

I’M SHOCKED !!!
P.S.: How about we ask all these voucher parents if they want to return to their old school before we trash the program?


11 posted on 06/18/2008 6:46:47 AM PDT by UltraKonservativen (( YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!))
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To: Reaganomical

Five years is a much better time frame.

“Whatever happened to a little patience and foresight?”

Our popular culture promotes INSTANT everything. That’s why people want a perfect ending to a war almost immediately, or they want a house they cannot afford NOW.


12 posted on 06/18/2008 6:47:15 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Keith Brown
But did the customer service levels of the schools improve?

The article and report said that the parents were happier and felt more comfortable with the voucher schools, and the students didn't care either way.

13 posted on 06/18/2008 6:48:14 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’d like to run an elementary school with say 11,000 per student. 22-23 in a room. Teachers would be well paid and we’d have math and english tutors.


14 posted on 06/18/2008 6:50:46 AM PDT by purpleraine
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To: econjack
When are the do-gooders going to learn that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Better schools only work when students want to be better students, and that drive has to come from within the student and from within the home. Until that happens, all of these programs are just going to continue to be a waste of taxpayer money.

How can it be a waste...if you give the "same dollars" that we are spending/wasting now...to the individuals..who then decide where they go to school?

No matter the school..there will always be those that won't/don't learn.

Do you give any of this burden to the teachers, system, etc..?

15 posted on 06/18/2008 6:52:10 AM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: vladimir998

“their children should have to pay for it twice.”

Why should people (senior citizens, grandparents) who have paid for their children’s education have to continue to pay for societies education?

.....Bob


16 posted on 06/18/2008 6:52:48 AM PDT by Lokibob (Some people are like slinkys. Useless, but if you throw them down the stairs, you smile.)
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To: Reaganomical
They've been doing this program for 3 years now. You can find links to the studies on the effectiveness at this link (bottom of the page) and at this link.
17 posted on 06/18/2008 6:53:17 AM PDT by Amelia
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To: Amelia

I wonder how these lottery winners were REALLY picked. Rotten cherry picking?


18 posted on 06/18/2008 6:55:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Amelia

Try getting the government out of public education. As in, we don’t need public education... the market will provide all the good, private schools we need.


19 posted on 06/18/2008 6:56:17 AM PDT by TexasGunLover ("Either you're with us or you're with the terrorists."-- President George W. Bush)
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To: Lokibob

What are you talking about? They didn’t pay for their children’s education. The cost of education has been socialized for generations.


20 posted on 06/18/2008 6:56:24 AM PDT by DManA
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