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McCain and the Bitter Conservatives
American Thinker ^ | June 15, 2008 | Andrew Sumereau

Posted on 06/15/2008 12:57:09 AM PDT by neverdem

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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

I can advocate a McCain ticket if he selects a conservative running mate. Most VP’s eventually go on to lead their party into a future election. That will be an indication that he wants the conservative vote. If he doesn’t do so, then the handwriting is on the wall.


41 posted on 06/15/2008 3:29:23 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Bushwacker777
not voting at all if you are a patriotic conservative

A McINsane/MYTH RINO ROMNEY ticket is better than the muslim exactly how?

The RINOs will not drill for oil

The RINOS will institute socialized medicine.

The RINOS SCOTUS nominees will not be confirmed.

The RINOS will do nothing about illegals

The RINOS will limit free speech (CFR and the Fairness Doctrine).

42 posted on 06/15/2008 3:31:11 AM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: wireplay
Don't even f*n go there! Are you a plant from DU?

We are STILL going to need oil for at least the next 10 years. It is stupidly lib to think that high gas prices will “modify” American behavior. It will, more likely spark another civil war.

Before you start celebrating, think of all those folks who have an old car, are on a fixed income, and cannot possibly afford the gas prices you are praying for. How short sightedly stupid!

43 posted on 06/15/2008 3:36:42 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: livius; neverdem

Our chances of a “kingdom” died when Washington refused the crown. These folks just need to get the Hell over it!


44 posted on 06/15/2008 3:39:42 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: neverdem

This morning I see McCain’s said it’s sometimes hard to be proud of America. Oh, really? Is he now whitewashing Mrs. Obama’s remarks? If so, he’s letting the MSM manipulate him. God help us, indeed.


45 posted on 06/15/2008 3:40:33 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Dick Vomer

N O T A


46 posted on 06/15/2008 3:40:53 AM PDT by wastoute
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To: singfreedom; wireplay

In my opinion, we need both. Lifting restrictions on drilling, coal mining, refining, nuke plant construction, etc. is one half of the equation. The oher half is offering tax credits for alternative energy research investment. Real simple.

We could be totally energy independent in a matter of a few years, plus provide the world with the next generation of energy production (and make a fat profit), if we’d just get our politicians off their asses.


47 posted on 06/15/2008 3:41:06 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Rome2000

Now now, drink your KoolAid and quiet down over there.


48 posted on 06/15/2008 3:42:00 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: ovrtaxt; wireplay
You are absolutely right! We are going to have to consider lots of options—and that is going to take time. During that time we will NEED oil. I am all for alternatives, but I am a realist, we are still going to need our oil.

I'm shopping for solar panels for my house and, perhaps, even a wind turbine. To bad we can't harness all the hot air emanating from Washington, D.C.!

49 posted on 06/15/2008 3:51:21 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: Rome2000

> The RINOS will institute socialized medicine.

Socialized medicine ain’t so bad: I have lived in two countries now which have had it.

Canada has it, and it is compulsory and there is no “choice” to go private. That sucks, admittedly — but if you are acute, you will be treated irrespective of your personal circumstances. If you are chronic, you wait. Or you sneak across the border and seek treatment.

New Zealand has socialized medicine, too: it is compulsory, but there is also “choice” — you can also choose to have private coverage too. Many people do (I do). That system rocks! If you are acute, you will be treated irrespective of your personal circumstances. If you are chronic, you will be treated in the fullness of time. But if you have insurance, you can opt to be treated right away. The hospitals and doctors in both the public and private system are very good (often one and the same).

I have been an in-patient in both the public and private systems in New Zealand, both as an acute and as a chronic patient: both are very, very good by any world standard.

If you have to have Socialized Medicine, it can be done right: New Zealand’s system ain’t perfect, but it is very, very good.


50 posted on 06/15/2008 3:53:54 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: singfreedom

The newer gallium panels are still in development, but they’re an efficiency breakthrough. They capture a much wider spectrum of radiation.

There’s a dutch company making vertical axis wind turbines that are the best I’ve seen so far. They still take several years to pay for themselves though.


51 posted on 06/15/2008 3:55:31 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: Dick Vomer
I can't make up my mind whether to vote for McCain or just sit at home and laugh my tail off for 3-4 years.

That's sound like a plan right up until McCain signs the bill for the "Laugh tax". Still, if it were Obama you'd be compelled to share the extra space in your home with Katrina refugees (funny thing that they'll either be from a different state or be Mexicans...)

This is the worst possible election scenario in my lifetime. We all know either party will screw the American people. Voters are looking at the candidates and asking themselves "But will he buy me dinner first?"

52 posted on 06/15/2008 3:55:46 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: DieHard the Hunter

You’re kidding me right?

FR has come to this now, we’re sitting round talking like Michael Moore. perfect.

The slow morphing to socialism creeps ahead...


53 posted on 06/15/2008 3:57:04 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (This election is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if McCain wins, we're still retarded.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Thanks for the info, ovrtaxt! I had just started doing my research. I found a company here in Oklahoma that makes turbines, but I think they make only the big commercial wind turbines—very expensive.

I may have to wait a year or two, but I think its going to be a must in the near future.

54 posted on 06/15/2008 4:05:05 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: ovrtaxt

> You’re kidding me right?

Nope. I’m stating fact, based upon personal experience in two different countries with socialized medicine, and based upon what would surely be a National Consensus. Certainly in NZ, Socialized Medicine ain’t bad at all. The food is good, the nurses are pretty, the medical procedures are world-class: and it is even better in the optional “private” system.

No joke.

And our national budgets year-on-year have been running to surplus. So it’s not like it is making us broke, either.

> FR has come to this now, we’re sitting round talking like Michael Moore. perfect.

I’ll ignore the Michael Moore insult, unless you want me to take it personally.

> The slow morphing to socialism creeps ahead...

Setting the purist theory aside for a minute, the practise of Socialized Medicine as done in New Zealand is undeniably something that works very well for the vast, vast majority of our population. Arguing otherwise is like arguing against the Law of Gravity.

You may choose to see it as a Boogie Man hiding under your bed, waiting to steal all your money: the plain fact is, it ain’t as bad as you think.

Sorry, that’s a fact.


55 posted on 06/15/2008 4:07:59 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: Caipirabob
My hubby would have asked “Will we get a kiss before we get F’d? It's an ARMY thing.
56 posted on 06/15/2008 4:10:56 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: singfreedom
Don't even f*n go there! Are you a plant from DU?

Hey, newbie, be careful who you call a DU plant. I think I predate you by a long time.

Needing oil and wanting ANWR and everything else is fine but ignoring alternatives is silly. I WANT off oil dependence, now. If we have to hold it together for 10 years, ok, so be it. High oil prices spur innovation. I didn't ask for high oil prices or a depressed dollar but it is what I have to work with. I celebrate because we have a chance to finally kill the domination of oil.

57 posted on 06/15/2008 4:13:37 AM PDT by wireplay
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To: neverdem

This has always been my problem with Mr. McCain. He will, no doubt, boldly and energetically fight the jihadists in front of us. But he will open the backdoor to let in swarms of UN and Marxist bureaucrats to control every inch of our lives to seek some kind of insane environmental utopia.

Mr. McCain is either too stupid and too complaisant to see the danger or he’s willingly selling out the country and our heritage.


58 posted on 06/15/2008 4:14:47 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Governments hate armed citizens more than armed criminals)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
How exactly does New Zealand's system work, ‘cause my daughter, in Germany, says their socialized system sucks big green ones. It also costs them a fortune.

Is it a combination system? Part socialized and part privatized? I kind of assumed that from your description.

59 posted on 06/15/2008 4:17:20 AM PDT by singfreedom
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To: wireplay

> I celebrate because we have a chance to finally kill the domination of oil.

Killing the domination of oil has one additional, excellent benefit: if we weren’t dependent on oil, there’s a whole bunch of nut-job enemy countries in this world who would suddenly and painfully find themselves without income to fund terrorism, industry, warfare or jihad.

Where would Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Venezuela be without oil revenues? They would be poked. They would be rooted. They would be relegated to the Third World stone age societies that they deserve to be in.

That in itself is an excellent reason to find ways to ditch oil as practically and as permanently as is practicable. Ten years would be a nice timeframe.


60 posted on 06/15/2008 4:19:44 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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