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Why a McCain Win May Be Bad for GOP, Good for Democrats
Real Clear Politics ^ | 13 June 2008 | Stuart Rothenberg

Posted on 06/13/2008 7:07:31 AM PDT by shrinkermd

Republicans and conservatives are rallying behind Sen. John McCain's White House bid, but not because they are so enamored with him or his agenda. Instead, their loyalty is based on their perception that Illinois Sen. Barack Obama as president, particularly with large Democratic majorities in both chambers of Congress, would be utterly disastrous.

Regardless of whether you agree with them about the results of a Democratic presidential victory later this year, a McCain victory might produce its own series of domino-like events that ultimately might hurt the Grand Old Party.

...I don't necessarily agree with Stewart that a McCain victory in November would lead to the "eradication" of the GOP, but it's easy to see how a McCain presidency could end up being a nightmare for Republicans.

In the worst-case scenario, a McCain victory in November could likely lead to a Republican bloodletting that would tear apart the GOP well before 2012, contribute to another good Democratic election in 2010 and hand Democrats such a strong advantage during redistricting that Republicans wouldn't be able to recover for years.

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; gop; mccain; rino; rothenberg
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To: ncalburt

I will vote or not vote how I see fit, and your threats and name-calling (yelling that I am the ENEMY because I don’t vote the way you think I should vote) will have no effect whatsoever on my decision (which can be seen in my tagline).

Go play in traffic.


21 posted on 06/13/2008 7:27:34 AM PDT by webschooner (Bumper Sticker: "None of the Above, 2008")
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To: TSchmereL

Im tired of voting for the lesser of to Evils..... Its still voting for Evil. At this point the differences between Obama and McCain are so minuscule it barely makes a difference. I’m in NJ which will go for the Obamanation anyway.... I didn’t vote for McCain in the primaries and I wont vote for him in the General election.


22 posted on 06/13/2008 7:30:35 AM PDT by SouthernBoyupNorth ("For my wings are made of Tungsten, my flesh of glass and steel..........")
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To: fschmieg; Clintonfatigued; darkangel82; AuH2ORepublican; wardaddy; NewRomeTacitus; ...

Nope, but here’s the problem...

If McCain wins, we have 40-41 Senators come January (down from 49) and 165-170 Congressman (down from about 200) and if he causes the usual disastrous split by embracing rodent initiatives and causes, come 2010, we could be down to 35 Senators and 140 Congressman.

By 2012 and McCain is defeated (or dead) and replaced with, you guessed it, the false Messiah (merely delayed by 4 years), we may only have 30 Senators and 125 House members (not unprecedented, as under FDR in 1937, we dropped to 17 Senators and 89 House members). It took 10 years to recover and when we suffered our single greatest defeat for Senate members in 1958, it took us 22 years to recover (nevermind the 40 it took to reclaim the majority in the House).

Ultimately here, McCain might merely be a Pyrhhic victory, just a brief speedbump on the way to obscene Democrat supermajorities of 70 Senators and 310 in the House with Obama at the helm in 4 years.

If Obama were to win this year and he embarks on his predictable moonbat course, it might only take us 2 cycles to win back the Congressional majority and install a President to boot in only 4 years. That might be preferable to waiting 40 years after McCain for a sane Congress. Either way, not good for the short term.


23 posted on 06/13/2008 7:30:35 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Romney can’t be all bad if McCain, Hucksterbee and the radical left hate him so much.


24 posted on 06/13/2008 7:30:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman ((Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud))
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To: WarToad
“A McCain win will cement RINO’s into Republican core power.”

Richard Nixon's wins in 1968 (over the leftist Hubert Humphrey) and in 1972 (over the ultra-leftist George McGovern) did not cement RINOs in control of the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan almost won the Republican nomination in 1976, two years after Nixon resigned. Nixon was the correct choice in both 1968 and 1972, not because of his domestic policies (which were heavily big-government-oriented) but because of his staunch opposition to Soviet aggression.

Similarly, John McCain is the correct choice in 2008 not because of his domestic agenda (which is, at best, a center/left one) but because of his firm stand against radical Islamic aggression.

25 posted on 06/13/2008 7:31:17 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: shrinkermd

There is always ebb and flow. There are times the nation’s mood will be more liberal than conservative. That’s not to say they become big liberals. It means that it’s a floating standard.


26 posted on 06/13/2008 7:32:22 AM PDT by Sgt Joe Friday 714
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To: TomGuy
There wll be no GOP if OBama gets elected. He plans to shut down the new media, internet and talk radio with new laws . he will give instant voting rights to illegals.The radical unions will be FORCED down everyone throats. The key is the get everyone UNIONIZED !!!!!!!!! Look at the disaster of Chicago and put that a nation wide level. he is a product of the ACCORN and the radical left wing UNIONS ! Wake UP and fight to keep this Radical from destroying this country !
27 posted on 06/13/2008 7:32:33 AM PDT by ncalburt
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To: SouthernBoyupNorth

“I’m tired of voting for the lesser of two Evils ...”

Then you are tired of politics.


28 posted on 06/13/2008 7:33:09 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Vigilanteman

No reason for the “radical left” to hate *omney. He just made sure no Republican will ever win Massachusetts again, statewide or anyway else, maybe for decades. The guy is a de facto rodent agent. He at least makes the RINO McCain look like a statesman, and that’s really saying something.


29 posted on 06/13/2008 7:33:27 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: shrinkermd

“Republicans and (conservatives?) are rallying behind Sen. John McCain’s White House bid”

Someone is smoking crack. I see some conservatives saying “I’m not voting for McCain, I’m voting against Obama” but I don’t see anyone actually “happy” or “rallying behind” (although behind him is the safest place to be) Juanito.


30 posted on 06/13/2008 7:33:44 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order to accommodate everyone, we have become nothing - GOP)
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To: shrinkermd
McCain is not the different then Obama. I almost think there is only one party ruling...masking as two to keep the people divided. We all know what happens when a person gets in the White House. It's business as usual... The election is set so that Obama wins. Any half way decent Republican other than McCain. For instance, Romney would have easily wiped Obama’s racist butt.

The way it works is 8 years Democrats, 8 years Republicans,now its time for 8 years Democrats. This is how Obama can say with certainty he will be in office 8 years.

31 posted on 06/13/2008 7:34:06 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: shrinkermd

“Many McCain bashers believe McCain’s defeat would result in a second coming of a Reagan clone.”

I don’t believe that, I just don’t believe that given the mans’ recent past that he deserves to be rewarded with the Presidency.

“Rothenberg, then, has company, but the question is how much company. Senator McCain did win the nomination.”

Do you think that the same leftists that voted for him in the early states will stick around after they got what they wanted?


32 posted on 06/13/2008 7:36:04 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order to accommodate everyone, we have become nothing - GOP)
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To: ncalburt

“This website will be shut down by the Obama internet police.”

Of the two candidates, only one has authored legislation that DIRECTLY attacked the freedom of political speech.

Hint, it was not Obama.


33 posted on 06/13/2008 7:38:20 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order to accommodate everyone, we have become nothing - GOP)
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To: fschmieg
Doesn’t the latest Supreme Court decision show you the importance of winning elections?

Gang of 14.
34 posted on 06/13/2008 7:38:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I miss the days when only the politicians were unethical.)
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To: Vaquero

Au Contraire that is what he said on one of his programs. He might have changed that.

I note, on another program, someone called in asking how they would deport 12 million illegals and Limbaugh said he never said they would deport the illegals.

Part of the problem here is he knows who he hates—McCain—but has not given us who he loves—but it just might be Mitt Romney of Bain Capital fame.


35 posted on 06/13/2008 7:39:41 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: fieldmarshaldj

“He just made sure no Republican will ever win Massachusetts again”

It’s friggin’ *assachusetts. It’s like Berkely, sans the whimsy.


36 posted on 06/13/2008 7:45:36 AM PDT by Grunthor (In order to accommodate everyone, we have become nothing - GOP)
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To: LibertyRocks
An Obama victory in November I’m afraid would have very far-reaching consequences - ones that our country may not EVER be able to recover from...

Agreed!

37 posted on 06/13/2008 7:49:27 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: shrinkermd

Time for at least one more viable party...


38 posted on 06/13/2008 7:51:11 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: fschmieg
Doesn’t the latest Supreme Court decision show you the importance of winning elections?

Hard to take this seriously, considering the fact that three of the five judges in the majority were put there by Republican presidents.

39 posted on 06/13/2008 7:53:22 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (John McCain just can't help himself - and I certainly can't and won't.)
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To: Grunthor
Stop the ridiculous comments and comparisons .

Obama has a internet police and guess what happen last night here on the website. A few of OBama’s monitors were OUTED .

Aren't you the one who accused Cindy Mccain of being a Iraqi war profiteer and did not even know that her two boys are Marines in Iraqi or are you the MIA conspiracy guy ?

You are very busy trashing MCCIN and trying to get to not VOTE to keep a Marxist named OBama from shutting us all up.

40 posted on 06/13/2008 7:55:44 AM PDT by ncalburt
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