Posted on 06/12/2008 12:30:50 PM PDT by pissant
Daily Kos has obtained a copy of Obama's "certification of live birth."
All of the information is what we have been told before - name, birth date, etc.. His mother's race is listed as "Caucasian," his father as "African." No middle name of Muhammad, no first name of "Barry," no last name of "Dunham." He's listed as "Barack Hussein Obama II," not "Jr."
(Interestingly, in the lower right hand corner is the backwards reflection of a stamp, "June 6 or G, 2007". Did someone request or process this record about a year ago?)
Site creator Markos Moulitsas mentions in the comments the campaign released it to him.
(Also, for astrologers, the time of birth was 7:24 p.m.)
Next time you get one of those e-mails suggesting Obama has a different "real name," send people to this post or that document.
UPDATE: I'm getting some, "Jim, this looks modern," e-mail messages. As Ed notes,
When someone requests a validated copy of their birth certificate, they don’t get a photocopy of the original. They get a fresh certificate with a seal showing that it came from the official registrar, in most states. They keep the info in a computer and produced validated copies on request.
This is a validated copy of the birth certificate, with which Obama could get a passport, register to vote, etc etc. It’s perfectly acceptable.
Obama himself probably has a dog-eared yellowing copy in a desk drawer somewhere; this document is what he or someone authorized by him was given by the state out of its records. Barring some vast conspiracy within the Hawaii State Department of Health, there is no reason to think his birth certificate would have any different data.
We can not request a copy of the actual document but any of us CAN request that information be verified and get a “leter of verification”. The rules state that you must state what informatiuon is on the document and they will only respond back yes or No. So... the information on this document could be verifed that way.
It’s really hard to see what that is. I’ve been manipulating that portion of the scan in Photoshop, and it does look like that last digit (the first digit, if you don’t flip it horizontally) is a “7”
It’s about 11 pt., I think.
NOTE: A certified birth certificate has a registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar's office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note that some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
This certificate would not be acceptable to get a passport.
Let’s assume for a second that this was a scan of one about 8 by 10, would you be able shrink the image size down to the size we see Obama’s birth certificate at and keep the letter the same exact size as you have noted on the reduced image?
Same image (only slightly smaller) is posted to Barack Obama’s website:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
This certificate would not be acceptable to get a passport.
Or in other words it would not be accepted by the United States Government for the purposes of eligibility for a passport.
If It doesn't meet the the standards required for a US passport then how can it be used to be The president of the United States?
I don't know about Hawaii, but I know that in Delaware the filing date can be as long as 2 weeks. My daughter was born on a Thursday evening, July 2nd, and the birth wasn't "officially" registered until around the 10th or the 11th. I never had a copy of her "official" birth certificate until I requested one in order to enrol her in school in 2003.
All it indicated for me was that my dad didn't want anybody calling me "Junior."
August 4, 1961 was a Friday, and he was born in the evening, so it mostly likely wouldn't be filed that day. The county office would be closed over the weekend (and possibly any hospital administrative offices), so a few day's delay in filing is pretty routine. Most states give you a few days to a week to file a birth certificate.
Other oddities: State of Hawaii Honolulu and Department of Health Hawaii U.S.A. Instead of Department of Records
Names of people and places in all caps
dates typed regularly as if someone wanted there to be no doubt about the names.
A Government employee that had to type out hundreds of these a day in all caps would not do the dates in regular type
Also The names are not written last name first, first name last and followed by the middle name.
Any clerk that has ever filed paper work would put these names in the wrong location
No ages given for the Parents
And for those of us that still believe that he may have been born in Kenya....The birth certificate was filed four days later and no hospital or place of birth is listed except for Honolulu
Personally I think whoever whipped this up had no clue what belonged on it or how an official document was supposed to look.
re: my postst above, *I* am the idiot. The statute that applies reads: 8 § 1405. Persons born in Hawaii
How Current is This?
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.
Probably what Obama was trying to hide
BUT... they are on the BACK! I'm told that you should be able to see the embossed seal from the front, since it is fairly deep.
The plot thickens....
Thanks, I jumped the gun there.
I took my photocopied birth certificate, which had been signed by the attending nurse and notarized, along with my Social Security card to the BMV to get my learner's permit and was promptly turned away. I had to get a form that looks very much like the one posted above from the Guernsey County Health Department. Fortunately, I have a sister who still lives there, so she got me a copy and mailed it to me.
The ordeal of getting my papers in order made taking my driving test (yes, road and maneuverability) anti-climactic.
The moral of this story: If you're over thirty or so, that piece of paper you think is your birth certificate, original or photocopied, is probably no longer worth the paper it was printed on. And anyone who knows what county you were born in can get a copy of your birth certificate.
It’s like saying “European” is a race
Although the whole issue of “race” may be up for debate and I think some of the 19th century racial categories such as “Caucasian” etc. may no longer be in such easy use for government agencies — I don’t know what the latest politically correct categories might be for the gub-mint race trackers.
In Hawaii, only the individual or other legally authorized persons can obtain it, supposedly.
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