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Obama Is No Joshua
Townhall.com ^ | June 12, 2008 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 06/12/2008 4:05:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

Barack Obama's presidential campaign plans to strike at the heart of the Republican base by attempting to woo Evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics to his side.

The Christian Broadcasting Network's David Brody first broke the story on his blog "The Brody File." Obama's campaign for the conservative Christian vote, which has largely gone to the Republican presidential candidate in recent elections, has been dubbed the "Joshua Generation Project." Joshua, Moses' successor, led the Israelites into the Promised Land. It wasn't the group that fled Egypt in the Exodus, though. They died in the wilderness, lacking faith in God's promise. It was the next generation that Joshua led into Canaan. Apparently, if we have enough faith in Obama, he will lead us all into a new America, but if we vote for John McCain, we will demonstrate a lack of faith (in Obama) and die in the political badlands.

Obama is better at biblical language and imagery than any Democrat in modern times. He certainly beats Howard Dean, now the chairman of the Democratic National Committee, who once offered Job as his favorite New Testament book. This is cynical manipulation of the devout and it is no better when Democrats do it than when Republicans use religious language for partisan advantage.

Obama has declared himself a committed Christian. He can call himself anything he likes, but there are certain markers among the evangelicals he is courting that one must meet in order to qualify for that label.

Some insight into Obama's "Christianity" comes from an interview he gave in 2004 to Chicago Sun-Times religion editor Cathleen Falsani for her book, "The God Factor: Inside the Spiritual Lives of Public People."

"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," said Obama. He then adds something most Christians will see as universalism: "I believe there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

Falsani correctly brings up John 14:6 (and how many journalists would know such a verse, much less ask a question based on it?) in which Jesus says of Himself, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That sounds exclusive, but Obama says it depends on how this verse is heard. According to Falsani, Obama thinks that "all people of faith - Christians, Jews, Muslims, animists, everyone - know the same God." (Her words.)

Evangelicals and serious Catholics might ask if this is so, why did Jesus waste His time coming to Earth, suffering pain, rejection and crucifixion? If there are many ways to God, He might have sent down a spiritual version of table manners and avoided the rest.

Here's Obama telling Falsani, "The difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and proselytize. There's the belief, certainly in some quarters, that if people haven't embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior, they're going to hell." Falsani adds, "Obama doesn't believe he, or anyone else, will go to hell. But he's not sure he'll be going to heaven, either." Again, that is contrary to what Evangelicals and most Catholics believe.

Here's Obama again: "I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. When I tuck in my daughters at night and I feel like I've been a good father to them, and I see that I am transferring values that I got from my mother and that they're kind people and that they're honest people, and they're curious people, that's a little piece of heaven."

Any first-year seminary student could deconstruct such "works salvation" and wishful thinking. Obama either hasn't read the Bible, or if he has, doesn't believe it if he embraces such thin theological wisps.

Obama can call himself anything he likes, but there is a clear requirement for one to qualify as a Christian and Obama doesn't meet that requirement. One cannot deny central tenets of the Christian faith, including the deity and uniqueness of Christ as the sole mediator between God and Man and be a Christian. Such people do have a label applied to them in Scripture. They are called "false prophets."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: calthomas; christianvote; joshuageneration; obama; obamamessiah
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1 posted on 06/12/2008 4:05:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: NYer; Salvation; AnAmericanMother; Maeve; sandyeggo; ArrogantBustard; BlackElk; Salem; F15Eagle; ...

Pinging my Catholic and Protestant friends. The title is certainly right, Snobama-messiah is no Joshua. He isn’t a Christian in any conventional, orthodox, or traditional definition, either!


2 posted on 06/12/2008 4:10:45 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA ("When I was a boy, America was a better place" - Dennis Prager)
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To: Kaslin
“I don't presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. (the following paragraph says it all)

The vote that sets Obama apart from many of his Democratic colleagues was his vote against the Induced Infant Liability Act while a member of the Illinois State Legislature. This bill would have provided basic life saving medical care to babies that survived pre-mature inducement (abortion).

3 posted on 06/12/2008 4:11:05 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Marsoc Dad)
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To: Kaslin

Well, if he isn't Joshua, I wonder who he could be....

4 posted on 06/12/2008 4:21:56 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Obama's a front man. Who's behind him?)
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To: Kaslin

Joshua - the Alien Assassin/Traitor from FirstWave (SciFi)

5 posted on 06/12/2008 4:24:18 AM PDT by xcamel (Being on the wrong track means the unintended consequences express train doesnt kill you going by)
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To: Kaslin

Can’t imagine any Christian who takes his faith seriously thinking that this man is fit to be dog catcher let alone the leader of the free world.

Refuse to vote against partial birth abortion

Plan to dismantle the military

Create a multitude of new entitlements

Thereby creating a multitude of new dependencies rather than independent hard working citizens.


6 posted on 06/12/2008 4:24:21 AM PDT by Carley
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To: Carley

Joshua said *Choose ye this day whom you will serve. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.*

When did Obama say that?

Oh, and call me when he makes the sun stand still.


7 posted on 06/12/2008 4:28:57 AM PDT by Appleby
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To: Carley
What a wonderful way to start the day out.

Scary, scary, scary, scary, scary, scary, scary!

8 posted on 06/12/2008 4:32:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Kaslin; All
We all know that B. Hussein Obama is a phony who will say and/or be anything to get elected. But, someone please explain to me how a "supposedly" true Christian can go to church on Sunday, clap, sing, shout, dance and praise The Lord, then go into the voting booth on Tuesday and vote for a candidate who espouses a Party Platform calling for the killing of little babies and favors gay marriage?

Can someone explain that to me?
9 posted on 06/12/2008 4:36:02 AM PDT by no dems (Political Correctness is Fascism!!!)
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To: Kaslin

Why would the Obamessiah take a demotion?


10 posted on 06/12/2008 4:39:04 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: Recon Dad

If there is reincarnation and the infanticide called abortion is still sanctioned then perhaps the next life for Obama will meet this fate.


11 posted on 06/12/2008 4:39:09 AM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: Kaslin
Obama's team better hold off on printing any t-shirts or postcards. It could be possible trademark infringement.

A simple Google search would have found that Generation Joshua was registered in 2003 as a division of the Home School Legal Defense Fund.
12 posted on 06/12/2008 4:46:20 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Kaslin
This is bad news for Generation Joshua.

HSLDA has already responded.

13 posted on 06/12/2008 4:48:38 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

...great minds...


14 posted on 06/12/2008 4:49:32 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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15 posted on 06/12/2008 4:52:35 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer (The real enemy seeks to devour what is good.)
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To: Convert from ECUSA
Barack Obama's presidential campaign plans . . . to woo Evangelical Christians and Roman Catholics to his side.

"Vote for me! you Bible hugging bigots!"

16 posted on 06/12/2008 4:57:13 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Kaslin

I found this the other day: Christian leaders meet privately with Obama.

Some of those named were T.D. Jakes, Max Lucado, and Franklin Graham.

It’s pretty disgusting, IMHO, that a known pro-abortionist would get any kind of nod at all from a Christian leader. Of course, it’s the AP reporting, so who’s to say what actually went on or how they’ve slanted the article.

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17 posted on 06/12/2008 5:03:08 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: Recon Dad; Kaslin; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; ...
The vote that sets Obama apart from many of his Democratic colleagues was his vote against the Induced Infant Liability Act while a member of the Illinois State Legislature. This bill would have provided basic life saving medical care to babies that survived pre-mature inducement (abortion).

Obama is pro infanticide!

No practicing Catholic, Protestant, Jew or Muslim could support that.

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18 posted on 06/12/2008 5:52:56 AM PDT by NYer (Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
Obama is pro infanticide!

No practicing Catholic, Protestant, Jew or Muslim could support that.

Yet a number of so-called, self-proclaimed 'practicing Catholics' are supporting his candidacy. Where is the Council of American Bishops to condemn the support of such a candidate? (crickets chirping)

19 posted on 06/12/2008 6:03:26 AM PDT by CASchack
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To: Kaslin
I believe there are many paths to the same place

Oh absolutely, and these paths are paved with the loveliest of good intentions.

20 posted on 06/12/2008 6:16:48 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("a wee bit silly." -Lord Trimble on Hillary Clinton's claim of foreign policy "experience".)
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