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USAF Heads Resign In Major Shake-Up
CBSNews ^ | 05 June 08

Posted on 06/05/2008 10:38:22 AM PDT by PurpleMan

The military and civilian chiefs of the Air Force are resigning, U.S. officials said Thursday.

Defense officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said that Defense Secretary Robert Gates asked Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Moseley and Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne to step

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dod; iranwar; minot; minotafb; purge; resignation; usaf
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To: Squantos
Total BS on this thread unrelated too the news on the plate ......bunch of piss ant REMF’s kicking dirt on active duty forces of any branch is just a damn shame !

Thanks for typing what I was thinking...well said.

101 posted on 06/05/2008 5:25:23 PM PDT by ScreamingFist (Annihilation - The result of underestimating your enemies. NRA)
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To: The Black Knight

Well said. I find this distateseful.


102 posted on 06/05/2008 5:28:31 PM PDT by rlmorel (Clinging bitterly to Guns and God in Massachusetts...:)
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To: Happy Rain

Clinton subversives???

Yea, right. Both appointed by Dubya (unless you’re into “there is a conspiracy everywhere” mindset)


103 posted on 06/05/2008 5:30:50 PM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: magellan

“Mosley took responsibility for what happened on his watch.”

I disagree. If he took responsibility he wouldn’t have had to have been fired. He would have quit.


104 posted on 06/05/2008 5:34:15 PM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: The Black Knight

Very well said. I”m about to retire from the USAF. My son is in the Army, and my daughter was in the Marine Corps. I spent 3 years in a Navy squadron, and have deployed to Afghanistan with the US Army.

Makes for interesting Christmas dinners, but I have no sympathy for the USAF-haters here at FR.

The Predator problem was as much Gates’ fault as anyones. He was briefed on what was possible, then made his pick. Then he complained in public about the USAF following the COA he picked.

And at a guess, I’d say much of the UAV situation is driven by the FAA - I doubt they want non-rated folks flying large objects in controlled airspace.


105 posted on 06/05/2008 5:45:50 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (No matter who wins the Presidency, it will be an enemy of the Constitution...)
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To: tlj18

I guess that must have been my imagination meeting my Airman First Class Daughter at the airport in March as she returned from Iraq. I guess thats not her making plans to go back next January. And thats only having been in the Air Force since March 07. I guess she’s not contributing nearly as much as my big bad nephew thats in the Marines for 4 years and has spent it sitting on his ass back here in the states and in Japan.


106 posted on 06/05/2008 6:13:34 PM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat ("Aggressive fighting for the right is the noblest sport the world affords" Teddy Roosevelt)
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Gates says Air Force not doing enough in Iraq war effort

Pentagon chief says Air Force should do more

107 posted on 06/05/2008 6:18:02 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Gates thought Air Force was/were/is under-utilizing their drone capability and were basically not doing enough for the soldiers and marines in Iraq. And almost anyone who looks into the matter will very likely agree with Gates.

The Air Force doesn’t want anonymous, discrete, unseen drones. The Air Force wants $400,000,000.00 flying Barbaros and winged Big Browns for their future mythic “Knight of the Sky” Heros. The Air Force wants to re-fight World War II, and keeps buying better fighters and bombers to re-win that war.


108 posted on 06/05/2008 6:39:26 PM PDT by flowerplough ("articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy")
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To: ODC-GIRL

I know my friend’s husband JUST left for Iraq for a one year tour of duty - and he’s active-duty Air Force. Now, I don’t know how many Air Force troops are there in comparison to other branches, but I don’t think it’s a good thing to start disparaging ANY of our military and their service!

God bless all our military men and women, and all the other non-military persons in harm’s way...


109 posted on 06/05/2008 6:51:09 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: Squantos

VERY well said... Shame on them!


110 posted on 06/05/2008 6:53:41 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: LibertyRocks

Sorry, LR, and sorry to you, too, Mr/Ms Junior Birdman Zoomie on your third or fourth Sandland deployment, but some of us still do think that it can actually be good to disparage any one of our military services that doesn’t pull its own weight, and Secretary Gates and I seem to agree that, in Iraq, that service is today’s Air Force.


111 posted on 06/05/2008 7:17:05 PM PDT by flowerplough ("articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy")
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To: r9etb
Well, OK .... and the reason why an M1-A1 Abrams is called a "tank" is because, back in WWI, they were shipped over to France in containers labeled "Water Tanks."

They had M1-A1 Abrams' back in WWI? Holy crap!

112 posted on 06/05/2008 7:50:13 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AFreeBird
Well, they wanted to keep a secret.... ;-)

Dang ... I hate it when I leave myself open like that...

113 posted on 06/05/2008 8:08:29 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: flowerplough

Don’t apologize to me - apologize to all the brave men and women in the Air Force. It’s one thing to knock the higher-ups, it’s another to disparage the entire Air Force, Reserves, etc...


114 posted on 06/05/2008 8:28:20 PM PDT by LibertyRocks (The LibertyRocks Blog - http://libertyrocks.wordpress.com & http://www.LibertyRocks.us)
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To: Strategerist
The USAF also wanted every UAV to file a formal flight plan.

I suppose it might be a nice idea to have some understanding of what's up in the air, and where, with your other assets.

Just a thought.

115 posted on 06/05/2008 8:40:10 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Fundamentally Fair; Dick Vomer; Jeremiah Jr
I tell ya what, for a place that is supposed to support the troops, there seems to be a lot of slamming the USAF here lately. Yeah, it's the Chair Force, Zoomies, Club Med...ha ha...

Look at the bright side. It's great for recruitment. Go Air Force!


116 posted on 06/05/2008 8:49:28 PM PDT by Ezekiel
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To: ScreamingFist
DevSix nails it....bunch of civilians calling for more drones might not have been the best call.

I agree. And though I've never worn a uniform, I do have a fair understanding of tech. A drone's Achilles heel is it's link. If that link is disrupted the drone ain't worth squat. And IMHO, there's no enemy I can think of that is a threat, that is not working on just that. Of course you could have a somewhat sophisticated AI on board to deal with such disruptions, but then you're talking about real expensive and sophisticated tech that you don't want falling into enemy hands.

Seems to me, with a pilot on board; that even if there's an RF blanket cutting communications, that a pilot and ground units could work it out and put the stuff that's needed, where it's needed.

When all else fails, low tech rules.

It would seem these days that a pilot in a plane is low tech. And that's not necessarily a bad thing.

117 posted on 06/05/2008 9:02:09 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: r9etb
Dang ... I hate it when I leave myself open like that...

It's always fun when you run across a hole that you could drive a, well, Abrams through.

All in good spirit. :-)

118 posted on 06/05/2008 9:10:19 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: LibertyRocks
I think I already did apologize to all the brave men and women in the Air Force, LR: "and sorry to you, too, Mr/Ms Junior Birdman Zoomie on your third or fourth Sandland deployment,


And to whom it may concern: My "little" Army Nat'l Guard nut is trying to get back over to Sandland (to help mop up?) but has been discriminated against twice - didn't want to build separate housing and facilities for women in last winter's deployment, and the spring deployment was restricted to those eligible for direct combat (men). She's still on the "volunteered" list, and is doing OK in college, but wants to go act tough again.


P.S. She's not a lesbian, just a tom-boy. According to her Army boyfriend, who is going back over pretty soon.
119 posted on 06/05/2008 9:41:01 PM PDT by flowerplough ("articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy")
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To: Grampa Dave; PurpleMan; ASA Vet; BIGLOOK; SandRat

120 posted on 06/05/2008 9:51:45 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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