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Black bear attacks and kills grandmother, 70, on fishing trip
Globe and Mail ^ | June 2, 2008 | KATE HAMMER

Posted on 06/04/2008 2:26:03 PM PDT by george76

The husband of a 70-year-old grandmother who was killed by a bear in northern Quebec ...

Conservation experts set traps after Friday evening's attack, but ... the bear was still at large in the wilds of northern Quebec.

As she scouted a fishing hole for walleye, Ms. Lavoie became separated from her husband. Barely 10 minutes later, Mr. Lavoie felt something was amiss and went searching for his wife of 51 years. Metres away he came upon the nightmarish scene of her body being dragged into the forest by a bear.

Mr. Lavoie chased the predator for nearly 200 metres and managed very briefly to scare it away from his wife. He tried but was unable to carry her limp and bleeding body back through the dense spring foliage.

He left her and went for help. When he arrived with police, the bear had returned and was combative.

"The bear was still around and the bear was aggressive,"

The bear was so aggressive, police were forced to delay attempts to retrieve Ms. Lavoie's remains until early Saturday morning...

In 1991, a black bear killed a Toronto couple in Algonquin Park...

In 2001, a high-school student was attacked and partly eaten by a black bear 25 kilometres northeast of Yellowknife.

In 2007, a Calgary woman, who was cycling on a trail near a British Columbia resort, was stalked and killed by a black bear.

(Excerpt) Read more at theglobeandmail.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; armedcitizen; banglist; bear; bearattack; bearattacks; bears; blackbear; blackbearattack; blackbears; donutwatch; environment; maul; quebec; wimps
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To: george76

There were four different adult bear around my place last year—one or two of them each night. They were after the “pioneer” (native) neighbors’ garbage, etc. But there are too many bear around. And with or without garbage, they’re going to be trouble. We’ll see, come August through October.


41 posted on 06/04/2008 4:25:02 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: paul51
"Pepper spray is almost guaranteed to halt an attack. I'd rather have a large can of spray than a handgun vs a bear. Of course, a shot gun is the preferred line of defense."

Even with spray (and only at over 9' of distance), bear leave very reluctantly. And it's almost always windy in the mountains.

A 44 or 45 will do, if rounds are placed center mass.

In the past, false charges by bear were normal. Now, because of overpopulation (by bear--not people), bear are more often going after other animals and people. Prey--deer, for example--are running like roaches all over the ranges. Yes, bear eat vegetable matter. But they also eat meat, when meat is catchable.


42 posted on 06/04/2008 4:32:45 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: kanawa; Candor7

What can Americans bring into Canada legally ?


43 posted on 06/04/2008 4:40:41 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: familyop; paul51

Most bear pepper spray has a spray distance of 25 feet or more. Here’s what I carry: http://www.counterassault.com/html/bearquestions.html

See also: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1284001/posts?page=75#75


44 posted on 06/04/2008 4:57:21 PM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: EdReform

The spray can be good stuff, although some users of it have only been mauled a little. ;-) It’s not much good in the wind, though, and it’s windy almost every day here. ...unless you are young, quick and knowledgeable enough to get upwind before firing the stuff. Also, it’s not much good for trying to stop a bear from entering a house, especially with an asthmatic around. A bear that is already in the house will behave as if cornered.

All of that said, the spray is certainly better to have than nothing at all. A large bore weapon and much training is better. The bear will be perceived as a general threat before long, and they will be largely exterminated as pests again.


45 posted on 06/04/2008 5:25:22 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: driftdiver
If the bear comes up the tree and kills you, it was a black bear.

If the bear knocks down the tree and kills you, it was a grizzly.

If there was no trees around, and it kills you, it was a polar bear.

46 posted on 06/04/2008 5:30:08 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the work of the media)
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To: EdReform
BTW, I'm not completely negative on bear spray. ...carry it myself while walking daily (with a plan to get upwind if necessary). Spraying a bear is better than hassling with a weapon on walks and possibly having to mess with kooky wildlife agency chicks.

Thank you for the link to good information.

http://www.counterassault.com/html/bearquestions.html

...and especially the following.

"6. What makes Counter Assault different from other sprays?

It is the only Bear Pepper Spray to Exceed bear biologists recommendations. Click Here For Bear Spray Specifications Chart
"


47 posted on 06/04/2008 6:01:59 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: george76

Aaah bears, my most troublesome critters up here in the Colorado Rockies. I have not had a human break-in attempt in over 10 years in Colorado (home invasion in Florida though), but have had two incidents with bears. One was when we were out of town and neighbor was watching the dogs. Came home to a window broken in. not just the glass, but the whole window frame was caved in including the nails being pulled out of the wall studs. The dryer vent was also clawed out and there were claw marks in the wood on the window where the bear tried to tear the window open, probably just before bashing it in. I assume it happened at night and the dogs were awakened and chased the bear off. It did not get inside.

Second incident happened when my wife heard something outside and I was looking out the windows to see if I could see anything. I had lights I could turn on around the house except on the back deck. I had ny nose against a large window, about 4ft X 4ft, while my wife was looking to find where she last left the flashlight. My wife found the flashlight and was about to hand it to me when something hit the glass hard. The double paned glass flexed and hit me in the nose and forehead, but did not break. My wife shined the flashlight out the window and we could see a black bear try to squeeze under the window sill to hide. I ran and grabbed the 12ga shotgun and decided to let the dogs out on the bear first, for training. The sliding glass doors were only about 4 ft from the bear and the dogs were right on his tail as he ran across the deck, jumped over the railing (1 story high) and jumped into a close pine tree. It climbed down head first and has not been seen again. The next morning you could see the muddy paw print on the outside that went across where my nose and forehead print was on the inside of the window. Really glad the window did not break!


48 posted on 06/04/2008 6:03:57 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Obama.)
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To: MtnClimber

Bears are strong.

They can and do rip open car doors, go thru house windows as well as rip off house siding.

They lean on locked door lever handles, destroy the mechanism, then enter house thru the door opening.

You might install motion activiated flood lights everywhere. Get the ones with pulse technology to minimize false alarms from wind and rain. They can be adjusted for time and sensitivity.


49 posted on 06/04/2008 6:21:39 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

dang another misunderstood bear..


50 posted on 06/04/2008 6:24:31 PM PDT by wardaddy (Obama?...........you actually deserve to be referred to as "boy")
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To: george76

I have the flood lights in front of the house and have the parts to put them in back. I am also in the process of taking the glass out of the windows and replacing with double sheets of thick lexan. And am putting heavy screws to fasten the window frames to the wall studs. The nails pulled out as if they were finishing nails.

The dogs do a good job though. A Belgian Tervuren, a Belgian Sheepdog (Groenendael) and a St Bernard. All are very protective. The occasional bears, mountain lions and the fox-making daily rounds really don’t like three upset dogs. The fox has made it a habit of tormenting the dogs from a few feet outside the fense though.


51 posted on 06/04/2008 6:43:15 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Obama.)
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To: george76

So, grandmother was just a typical white person anyway. /rimshot


52 posted on 06/04/2008 6:47:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_________________________Profile updated Friday, May 30, 2008)
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To: MtnClimber

My place looked like a bear convention during the nights of last fall (September through October).

For those who can have dogs, at least two large dogs are great against bear. I’ve watched that happen. The dogs hit and run from a distance of about 20 feet, while the bear stood, not knowing how to react quickly enough. The bear walked away as soon as the dogs gave it time and space to do so. The dogs were not injured. Small dogs, on the other hand, are snacks (acquaintances’ house dog experiences).

BTW, bear don’t like extremely loud metal music, either, although they react a little slowly and grudgingly to it. ...or large amounts of cayenne pepper around doors and the like. They’ve sniffed first, and walked away. And bear most often avoid bright lights (100 watt halogen spotlights), creeping around the periphery of the lights.

But this year, bear will likely be more numerous and bold. I think they’ll multiply and attack more often in the near future, until many of them are exterminated.


53 posted on 06/04/2008 6:47:31 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), NG, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote)
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To: jazusamo
“I’ve read a couple articles in the last several months about the bear pepper spray and it seems it’s pretty effective, at least according to those articles”

There was at least on “study” that claimed that pepper spray was more “effective” against bears than firearms if it was “used properly”.

Of course, “used properly” opens the door for all kinds of data selection mischief. If it was windy, or the bear was too far, or the person missed the bear with the spray, or hit it in the “wrong” place, or who knows what.

A bear attack investigator that I respect said that pepper spray appeared to work about 2/3 of the time, but get a big can, because you may have to use it multiple times to deter a determined bear.

54 posted on 06/04/2008 6:49:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

That was one of the articles that I read but what you say is very reasonable, nothing is perfect and it was evident the study was pushing the use of it over lethal methods.

The country I’ve hunted and camped in over the years has only been inhabited by black bears and I’ve never been too concerned about them. It looks like they are becoming more aggressive and people should be more concerned now.


55 posted on 06/04/2008 7:02:44 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: george76
What can Americans bring into Canada legally ?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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According to Freeper Kanawa, thats all you should need:

( Kanawa killed an attacking bear with that very same kind of knife.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1670661/posts [Man (Freeper kanawa) stabs bear to death]

56 posted on 06/04/2008 7:05:47 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: george76
What can Americans bring into Canada legally ?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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According to Freeper Kanawa, thats all you should need:

( Kanawa killed an attacking bear with that very same kind of knife.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1670661/posts [Man (Freeper kanawa) stabs bear to death]

57 posted on 06/04/2008 7:06:57 PM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: marktwain

The wind up here in the Colorado Rockies is often very high. I have had times when I was washing the car when the water out of a nozzle set on stream would only make it a few feet before being blown back. Also, if the dogs are involved, I could be spraying them at the same time and eliminating much of my defense. The Fall season, before bears hibernate, is the very worst time for home break-ins. Within a 20 mile radius there are usually 50-100 home break-ins by bears each year. I keep my CCW gun loaded with bear loads (except for urban excursions and except in winter) and keep the 12ga loaded with Brenneke slugs for the first few shots followed by 3-inch OO Buck. I don’t want to harm a bear, but I don’t want to be converted to scat even more!


58 posted on 06/04/2008 7:22:00 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Stalin, Mao, Castro, Obama.)
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To: MtnClimber

Motion activated lights are good for 2 and 4 legged critters.

Also welcome mats often work for bears.


59 posted on 06/04/2008 7:58:21 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: familyop
I've seen studies that conclude spray is actually more effective at ending an attack than gun fire. Of course, a fatal round leaves no room for discussion but that is not a given in the event of an attack.
60 posted on 06/04/2008 8:15:32 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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