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Terrorists now swear by 'qattal'
The Times of India ^ | 3rd June, 2008, 1253 hrs IST | The Times of India

Posted on 06/03/2008 12:48:38 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick

NEW DELHI: After decades of bloodbath in the name of jihad or "holy war", terrorists are changing gear and indulging in qattal , an act by which they kill even their own people, a top Pakistan leader said.

"Terrorists are now replacing the term jihad with the Islamic term qattal for their acts," Hasham Baber, additional secretary general of Pakistan's Awami National Party said.

Hardline religious leaders in Pakistan are now using the new term because moderate Muslims have started denouncing the use of jihad by terrorists who indulge in violence in the name of Islam, said Baber.

Explaining the term 'jihad', Baber, who was in India to attend an anti-terrorism conference, said: "It is not about fighting a war or battle or even killing people but a struggle for peace. It means a collective decision to struggle.”

" Qattal , on the other hand, means I am allowed to kill a Hindu, Christian at will or even a Shia."

Stressing that Islam does not permit killing of innocents, he said "Terrorism is being given a religious colour by fundamentalists out to achieve their skewed agenda."

Baber, whose party is part of the newly-elected PPP-led coalition, said: "The religious education in Pakistan as whole has degenerated into bloodshed."

The senior leader said what is now happening in the name of terrorism is nothing but proxy war.

"Today two countries don't fight with each other. Terrorists are trained and are being sent out by establishments to wage proxy war with each other," he claimed.

Baber, whose party has been at the forefront of fighting religious fundamentalists in Pakistan, said Kashmir is still a "burning issue" for many and violence in the subcontinent can be curbed only by a European Union set-up here.

"The borders should be opened up. We should all try and bring in a EU kind of set-up in the Indian sub-continent where people from both Pakistan and India can enter each other's territory without any issue," Baber said.

"Kashmir issue would then be solved there and then automatically."

Baber said "even if we claim that Kashmir is a part of Pakistan because there is a Muslim majority in the state, we should sit across the table and discuss."

Attacking Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf, Baber said no democracy exists in the country and people have no rights.

"What is happening to Muslims in Pakistan, we have no democracy or rights. Our Constitution has been trampled. Our leadership should first put their own house in order and then we can say yes, Pakistan is a better place for Muslims than India," he said.

Attacking the West for arming Mujahideens in Afghanistan in late 1970s, Baber said the onus of rectifying the mistake lies with the West.

"It was the rich West which armed the Mujahideens to fight the so called holy war and now they should arm the peace loving people with education and strength.

International donors and especially those countries who have been "awakened" by the 9/11 bombing should come forward to help the cause, he said, adding "it needs to be understood that terrorism existed even before the twin towers bombing".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: globaljihad; islam; jihad; muslim; qattal; terror
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1 posted on 06/03/2008 12:48:40 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick
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To: CarrotAndStick

No more Mr. Islamic Nice Guy!


2 posted on 06/03/2008 12:53:40 PM PDT by Borges
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To: CarrotAndStick

No one else to kill so they kill their own, not surprising.


3 posted on 06/03/2008 12:54:13 PM PDT by Rennes Templar ( Never underestimate the difficulty of changing false beliefs by facts.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Stressing that Islam does not permit killing of innocents, he said "Terrorism is being given a religious colour by fundamentalists out to achieve their skewed agenda."

If you're not an adherent of Islam, you aren't "innocent" in their view. Submit, pay jizya or die.

4 posted on 06/03/2008 12:55:58 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: CarrotAndStick

I thought qattal were holy in India.....


5 posted on 06/03/2008 12:58:41 PM PDT by Red Badger (NOBODY MOVE!!!!.......I dropped me brain............................)
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To: Myrddin
Don't you love the parsing of the word “innocent”?
6 posted on 06/03/2008 12:59:28 PM PDT by NathanR (Obama: More 'African' than 'American'.)
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To: Red Badger

Heh heh!

This is Pakistan, though. They have no beef with qattal.


7 posted on 06/03/2008 1:01:13 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Explaining the term 'jihad', Baber, who was in India to attend an anti-terrorism conference, said: "It is not about fighting a war or battle or even killing people but a struggle for peace. It means a collective decision to struggle.”

" Qattal , on the other hand, means I am allowed to kill a Hindu, Christian at will or even a Shia."

In other words, the only change is that they can freely kill other Muslims, now.

8 posted on 06/03/2008 1:01:56 PM PDT by NathanR (Obama: More 'African' than 'American'.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Looks like a new word soon to be forbidden for use by the State Department and the security agencies.


9 posted on 06/03/2008 1:01:58 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Time for a qattal drive.


10 posted on 06/03/2008 1:02:44 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Red Badger

Depends whom they are aloined with.


11 posted on 06/03/2008 1:03:19 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder ()OK. We're still working on your ones.)
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To: NathanR

“Don’t you love the parsing of the word “innocent”?”

Yeah. Because, by including even their own as presumed ‘guilty’, there are no ‘innocents’.

So, there is ‘nobody’ they won’t kill, including themselves.


12 posted on 06/03/2008 1:05:14 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I reserve the right to misinterpret the comments of any and all pesters)
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To: CarrotAndStick

The logical endpoint of a culture largely based on intimidation, bullying, and fear.


13 posted on 06/03/2008 1:07:22 PM PDT by PC99
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To: CarrotAndStick
"We should all try and bring in a EU kind of set-up in the Indian sub-continent where people from both Pakistan and India can enter each other's territory without any issue."

Can you just imagine the bloodshed if this was ever adopted? Wouldn't mind a little of what this guy is smoking for the weekend...

14 posted on 06/03/2008 1:09:16 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: CarrotAndStick
This is the pot calling the kettle black. Pakistan sponsored the Taliban, not the West. And Saudi money backed Al Qaeda.
15 posted on 06/03/2008 1:10:26 PM PDT by colorado tanker (Number nine, number nine, number nine . . .)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Same old killing new name keeps it new and fresh(sarc off)


16 posted on 06/03/2008 1:10:59 PM PDT by MES401067
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To: CarrotAndStick

Wow.

Those the “Religion of Peace” has a word for almost every method of murder you can imagine, don’t they?


17 posted on 06/03/2008 1:11:30 PM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: NathanR
Don't you love the parsing of the word “innocent”?

It's a completely expected behavior from pathological liars.

18 posted on 06/03/2008 1:13:17 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Red Badger

As in: There’s always room for the qattal, Right next to the mashed potatoes?


19 posted on 06/03/2008 1:13:28 PM PDT by WayneS (What the hell is wrong with these people?)
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To: CarrotAndStick

“Qattal.”

That’s crazy. And stupid. And lame. Let me go find a Thesaurus, it’s a lot more things too.


20 posted on 06/03/2008 1:13:30 PM PDT by WarToad
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