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UK: You can't preach the Bible here, this is a Muslim area (Christians told, by Community Police)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | June 2, 2008 | Steve Doughty and Andy Dolan

Posted on 06/02/2008 2:34:35 AM PDT by Stoat

You can't preach the Bible here, this is a Muslim area

(What a community policeman told two Christians)

 

By Steve Doughty and Andy Dolan
Last updated at 1:19 AM on 02nd June 2008

 

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Readings from the Koran: Naeem Naguthney

Two Christian preachers were stopped from handing out Bible extracts by police because they were in a Muslim area, it was claimed yesterday.

They say they were told by a Muslim police community support officer that they could not preach there and that attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity was a hate crime.

The community officer is also said to have told the two men: 'You have been warned. If you come back here and get beat up, well, you have been warned.'

A police constable who was present during the incident in the Alum Rock area of Birmingham is also alleged to have told the preachers not to return to the district.

It comes amid growing concern over the development of Islamic 'no-go areas'.

The preachers, Americans Arthur Cunningham and Joseph Abraham, are demanding an apology and compensation from West Midlands Police.

They say their treatment breaks the Human Rights Act, which guarantees freedom of religious expression.

The preachers, who have the backing of the Christian Institute pressure group, say they will take the force to court for breaching their human rights if they don't receive an apology.

They have accused the officer, PCSO Naeem Naguthney, of behaving in an 'aggressive and threatening' manner. A complaint by their lawyers said he interrupted as they spoke to Muslim youths about their beliefs.

Mr Abraham, 65, who was born a Muslim in Egypt and is a convert to Christianity, said: 'He told us we were trying to convert Muslims to Christianity and that that was a hate crime.

'He was very intimidating and it concerns me that somebody holding his views can become a police officer, albeit at PCSO level.'

Mr Cunningham, 48, a fellow American Baptist missionary, said: 'He realised we were Americans and then started ranting at us about George Bush and American foreign policy.

'He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message. He said he was going to take us to the police station.'

Mr Cunningham added: 'I am dumfounded that the police seem so nonchalant. They seem content not to make it clear that what we were doing was perfectly legal. This is a free country and to suggest we were guilty of a hate crime for spreading God's word is outrageous.'

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Outraged: Arthur Cunningham

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Seeking an apology: Joesph Abraham

 

According to a complaint by the men's lawyers, Mr Naguthney summoned two other officers in support, one of whom, a full constable, is said to have told the men not to return to the area.

Mr Naguthney, 30, was recruited as a community support officer last year after being unemployed for eight months.

Earlier this year, he had a prominent role at a conference to launch the West Midlands branch of the National Association of Muslim Police. He gave a reading from the Koran before the audience heard a recorded contribution from Gordon Brown, a speech from Home Office Minister Tony McNulty, and contributions from several chief constables.

Mr Naguthney declined to discuss the row.

His brother, Nadeem, said: 'Naeem is a community man, that is why he joined the police.'

The Alum Rock area was at the heart of a terrorism inquiry last year, which ended with the conviction of local resident Parviz Khan for plotting to kidnap and behead a British soldier.

A senior Church of England bishop, the Right Reverend Michael Nazir-Ali, warned recently that it is hard for non-Muslims to live and work in some areas where radicals and clerics are trying to impose an Islamic character.

A West Midlands Police spokesman said an investigation into the complaint had concluded that the PCSO had acted 'with the best of intentions' when he 'intervened to diffuse a heated argument between two groups of men'.

A statement added: 'Following this investigation, the PCSO has been offered guidance about what constitutes a hate crime and advice on communication style.'


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: arthurcunningham; christianity; evangelism; exmuslims; islam; josephabraham; muslim; tolerance; ukmuslims
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To: Right Wing Assault
Oops. That should be:

Just tell them they ARE going to convert.

21 posted on 06/02/2008 3:22:09 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Prole

“I have a nasty feeling that a complete and absolute clash of civilizations is less than 2-4 years away.

I am talking world war type of stuff.”

There are many who would agree with that assessment.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2008/04/surrender-genocide-or-what.html


22 posted on 06/02/2008 3:54:30 AM PDT by happygrl
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To: Stoat

Thanks for your prayers Stoat.

These two will get compensation and a humiliating apology. The muslims tipped their hand too early this time.


23 posted on 06/02/2008 3:58:54 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Prole
There's hope! My collage age granddaughter is in Ghana on a mission trip. Her two good Saudi friends from Memphis, who have become Chriatians, and are there with her spreading the Word!
24 posted on 06/02/2008 4:01:09 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek
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To: Stoat
that attempting to convert Muslims to Christianity was a hate crime.

Islam is a hate crime. People only need to read the koran and hadith to understand the ‘Religion of Pieces’. It is the nature of their cult religion of death. The only time they’re happy is when they’re killing, maiming, or destroying.

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,"Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

25 posted on 06/02/2008 4:12:17 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED)
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To: vimto

“His brother, Nadeem, said: ‘Naeem is a community man, that is why he joined the police.’”
“a community man.”
BTW,Nadeem has 5 brothers, Naaddeem, Naddeem, Naeem, Neem, and Eem.


26 posted on 06/02/2008 4:26:15 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: Stoat

Canterbury cathedral will make a lovely mosque.


27 posted on 06/02/2008 4:35:16 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
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To: Charles Martel

Don’t think they aren’t planning for it. England is on the brink and the Muzzies know it...and the English people have turned into craven weasels.


28 posted on 06/02/2008 8:11:52 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: Boagenes

Well the British who so eagerly destroyed the images of the Mother of God, will now havwe to reap the whirlwind, I guess.


29 posted on 06/02/2008 8:29:49 PM PDT by The Cuban
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