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Court order: FLDS children to return beginning Monday, families will remain supervised
The Deseret News ^ | 5/20/2008 | Ben Winslow

Posted on 05/30/2008 2:00:59 PM PDT by Utah Girl

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To: El Gato

Ouch!


101 posted on 05/30/2008 6:02:56 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: Paperdoll

AND stop the welfare checks and foodstamps for this group as well. Talk about enabling!


I’m not sure they ever got the normal welfare type stuff through the State here in Texas. Now there maybe other stuff they are getting through fed contracts etc they have which I think helps fund the FLDS overall.

This hasn’t ended with the court ordered return of the children. CPS is still involved and will be for a while it looks like. The major change is that they no longer have custody of the children. But they will be visiting, following up on progress, looking at their lifestyles, etc. And my guess is the judge since she got her robe singed will also have an interested in the situation. Apparently she is going to make some specifications regarding arrangements when she vacates her order.


102 posted on 05/30/2008 6:05:17 PM PDT by deport ( -- Cue Spooky Music --)
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To: Concho

Wonder how many of those kids don’t really want to go back to the cult.


103 posted on 05/30/2008 6:05:18 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: Marie
Why would they pledge to do this unless they have admitted to wrong doing?

RIGHT!


Come on, people. Learn to reason just a little bit. Sometimes people will do something they judge to be unpleasant or even against their principles in order to avoid something that is even more unpleasant and even more unprincipled: giving up their children for the coin of pride in saying that they didn't give in.
104 posted on 05/30/2008 6:06:45 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Reno232

I would imagine that EVERYBODY at CPS, even the janitor that sweeps the floor at night, is totally frozen right now and scared shirtless to make a decision. About anything.


105 posted on 05/30/2008 6:07:16 PM PDT by djf
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To: djf

I doubt it, they are entirely too arrogant.


106 posted on 05/30/2008 6:10:50 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: muawiyah
Not a single court in Texas has tried a kidnapping case within the framework of this particular situation. Kidnapping is a crime

The YFZ culters are probably on the phone now, frantic, trying to find one of the parents of some of those kids that Jeffs took from other families. If not, they'll just forge more birth certificates and take 'em home.

107 posted on 05/30/2008 6:16:13 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: SouthTexas
I doubt it, they are entirely too arrogant.

Apparently so is Texas District Judge Barbara Walther.

Texas judge refuses to sign order in polygamy custody case

Snag in deal to return Texas sect kids to parents (FR thread)
(different story same info)

SAN ANGELO, Texas - A plan to begin reuniting parents with more than 400 children removed from a polygamist group's ranch has been thrown into doubt because a judge and the families are clashing over proposed restrictions. Texas District Judge Barbara Walther has refused to sign an order restoring custody to the parents until they agree to more restrictions than state child-welfare officials have proposed. Walther was directed by an appeals court to reverse her ruling last month putting all children from the Yearning For Zion Ranch into foster case. The Texas Supreme Court affirmed the appeals court's decision Thursday and rejected the state's argument that all the children were in immediate danger from what it said was a cycle of sexual abuse of teenage girls at the ranch

108 posted on 05/30/2008 6:17:04 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SouthTexas; All

NBC news on the west coast is reporting the deal fell through, and now the court jousting will continue on Monday.

SOMEBODY is gonna get taken to the woodshed over this crap!


109 posted on 05/30/2008 6:18:25 PM PDT by djf
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To: El Gato

Bout time the Supreme Court of the state of Texas sent the Rangers over to visit this judge and put her under arrest for contempt of court.


110 posted on 05/30/2008 6:21:00 PM PDT by djf
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To: El Gato

This as absurd. Whatever remained of a prosecutable case is now being destroyed by the actions of this judge.

Damn I wonder how much this is going to cost us...


111 posted on 05/30/2008 6:21:55 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: djf

I wonder if she’s a transfer from the 9th Circuit Court? /s


112 posted on 05/30/2008 6:24:01 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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To: djf
Bout time the Supreme Court of the state of Texas sent the Rangers over to visit this judge and put her under arrest for contempt of court.

Actually I would think it would be the appeals court that would send them. It's their order she is defying.

I wonder how long it's been since a writ of mandamus has actually had to be issued to a sitting judge in Texas? (Generally the lower court will comply with the order of the higher court, negating the need for the writ to issue).

113 posted on 05/30/2008 6:30:28 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Walther was taken to the wood shed by the Texas Supreme Court and now she pulls this kind of stunt? Oh my. The parents and children have not been convicted of anything. Sorry, I’m ranting to the choir here. Unbelievable.


114 posted on 05/30/2008 6:35:54 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Concho

So what was the reaction of the parents and children when Judge Barbara Walther refused to sign the order to get the children back to their parents?


115 posted on 05/30/2008 6:36:39 PM PDT by Utah Girl (John 15:12, Matthew 5:44)
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To: Utah Girl; CurlyDave
Well, it isn’t Monday yet either. I agree with CurlyDave earlier in this thread, CPS should have started immediately to get those children back.

No it's not Monday yet, but they haven't gotten things worked out for Monday either.
(unless something has happened that I'm not aware of)
I agree with the two of you, & think they should already be returning the children.


Work the weekend. (I can hear the gasps of civil servants at my intimating that they should work the weekend. :)


(:
116 posted on 05/30/2008 6:49:12 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: SouthTexas

Yup... that’s cuz they’s got one a them ‘Psickeeology or Soak-you-ology” Bachelors deegrees.... that makes them the Gurus of all knowledge to do with life, families and whatever ails you.

/sarcasm is on.. folks...

(sorry couldn’t resist).


117 posted on 05/30/2008 6:50:04 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: Utah Girl

Bump what you said... I think the woman is in denial.


118 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:09 PM PDT by antceecee (where do from here Ollie?.)
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To: El Gato
Texas District Judge Barbara Walther has refused to sign an order restoring custody to the parents until they agree to more restrictions than state child-welfare officials have proposed

There's a problem with this judge.
119 posted on 05/30/2008 6:51:14 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: antceecee

No doubt majoring in abuse “by the state”.


120 posted on 05/30/2008 6:52:55 PM PDT by SouthTexas (If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!)
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