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How much more intrusive and oppressive can our government get before something is done about it?
1 posted on 05/29/2008 9:52:39 AM PDT by frankiep
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A federal judge has ordered a 30-month prison sentence for a man whose rifle misfired, letting loose three shots at a firing range

Let's review......AT A FIRING RANGE.

I guess I need to turn myself in then cause I shoot my Sigs & kimber pistols as fast as I can pull the trigger.

2 posted on 05/29/2008 9:55:26 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Look - if the feds ever arrest you for something, just say you are illegal.

You will be released immediately and 15 organizations will rush in to give you aid and money.


3 posted on 05/29/2008 9:57:11 AM PDT by oldbill
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Did Mr. Kiernicki testify that Mr.Olofson knew of the weapon's propensity to fire multiple times with a single trigger manipulation ?
4 posted on 05/29/2008 10:02:50 AM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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It was an Olympic Arms. Don't they have a rep for inertial double taps due to steel firing pins and using civilian grade ammo. Conversion to a titanium firing pin is supposed to help or least thats what I have heard. Can anyone confirm that?
5 posted on 05/29/2008 10:03:46 AM PDT by Polynikes (Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?)
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Bang


6 posted on 05/29/2008 10:07:07 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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How long until “bump firing” is illigal?


7 posted on 05/29/2008 10:09:48 AM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat lead.)
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And anti-gunners wonder why we are so paranoid.


10 posted on 05/29/2008 10:14:47 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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Who was the kind person at the range who turned him in?


11 posted on 05/29/2008 10:19:47 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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“It didn’t matter the rifle in question had not been intentionally modified for select fire, or that it did not have an M16 bolt carrier or sear, that it did not show any signs of machining or drilling, or that that model had even been recalled a few years back,” said a commentary in Guns Magazine on the case against David R. Olofson, of Berlin, Wis. “It didn’t matter the government had repeatedly failed to replicate automatic fire until they replaced the ammunition with a softer primer type.”

This is not new as it’s been this way for 25 years. The ATF is a rogue agency. If you think it’s bad now, wait until the RATS have 60 seats in the senate.


12 posted on 05/29/2008 10:20:03 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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I’ve found that if I mistakenly over-tighten the recoil springs on my Rem 597 .22LR, it will put out two rounds at a time. I hope BATF doesn’t monitor these threads.


13 posted on 05/29/2008 10:21:33 AM PDT by VanShuyten ("Ah! but it was something to have at least a choice of nightmares.")
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GIVE THE BATFE THE BOOT!



15 posted on 05/29/2008 10:27:09 AM PDT by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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Defund the ATF.


18 posted on 05/29/2008 10:29:19 AM PDT by mysterio
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If you pull the trigger once and it fires more than one round, no matter what the cause it's a machine gun.

So, if someone had a cap-and-ball revolver which mis-fired, causing two or more chambers to discharge with one trigger pull, that cap-and-ball revolver would be classified as a "machine gun"?

19 posted on 05/29/2008 10:33:26 AM PDT by holymoly
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I call BS on this whole deal. How could this man have possibly been convicted? A witness was actually watching him fire the weapon and testified in court that he squeezed the trigger once and not 3 times?

If the NRA doesn’t support this guy and get this case to the supreme court then they are missing a great opportunity.


22 posted on 05/29/2008 10:42:34 AM PDT by WildcatClan (Don't blame me...............I supported Duncan Hunter.)
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Slightly off topic but here goes.

What is the status of the open bolt semi MAC 10 and Mac 11s that are floating around out there?


24 posted on 05/29/2008 10:50:33 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Heller: The defining moment of our Republic)
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A picture of U.S. District Judge Charles Clevert
25 posted on 05/29/2008 10:54:30 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)
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The government is harassing innocent gun owners who do not break the law. Their purpose is to discourage legal gun ownership, so that only criminals will have guns.


26 posted on 05/29/2008 10:57:03 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (nra life member)
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BS!


27 posted on 05/29/2008 10:58:21 AM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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This is why I don’t see an Obama presidency as a reason to get depressed. IT CAN”T GET MUCH WORSE than it is under Bush, the pseudo-Republican.


28 posted on 05/29/2008 10:59:29 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (nra life member)
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From what I read about this, the guy was active in supplying 80% AR15 receivers (supposedly legal) and helping others machine them (a gray area). I think that that was the real reason the BATF targeted him.

He supposedly loaned the this gun to a another guy and warned him that it could go full auto if the selector was pushed to a certain position. They guy did it and a law enforcement officer who witnessed it moved in. The guy turned in the person who loaned the gun to him and testified to this at the trial.

If the guy was machining 80% receivers, he should have known how what to do to have it fire semi-auto instead of full-auto. Assuming that it was wear instead of deliberate machining, I don’t know how using “soft primers” could make a difference. This is a gas operated gun, not a primer-movement-actuated one (there were a few pre-WWII guns that had this, but they were not very successful). I have read some of the legal pleadings on both sides and I still think there is a lot of stuff we still do NOT know from EITHER side.

This reminds me that Calvary Arms, KT Ordnance, and Shade Tree Armory all have sold 80% receivers and all have been raided by the BATF and shut down. I think that is what is known as a clue.


34 posted on 05/29/2008 11:41:36 AM PDT by jim_trent
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