Posted on 05/28/2008 8:21:52 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
Here are the enlistment records of Charles W. Payne, brother of Madelyn Payne, great uncle of Obama:
Charles W. Payne, born 1924, enlisted 10 Nov '42, Navy, 6293977 REgistered, order #12019, Kansas City, Wyandotte Co., Board #4
So, Obama's great uncle liberated Buchenwald from his ship somewhere in the Pacific?
(Excerpt) Read more at answers.yahoo.com ...
You people should all be ashamed of yourselves for dishonoring the legacy of a man who fought so bravely under Admiral Patton.
Another great uncle pops out of the woodwork? And his brother is Charles T. now, not Charles W?
I’ve seen the name Jon Virgil Payne in the family trees on ancestry.com as the youngest brother of Madelyn.
FWIW:
veromi.com
People Search: PAYNE, CHARLES T born 1924
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1 Match Found (100 max.)
Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives
1. PAYNE, CHARLES THOMAS (Age 83)
Available(6) Available IDAHO FALLS, ID
WIMBERLEY, TX
BETTENDORF, IA Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, MARILYN C (Age 83)
Possible Roommates / Associates:
CAMPBELL, BENJAMIN CRAIG (Age 32)
CAMPBELL, SCOTT ANDREW (Age 42)
KUDER, BARBARA GUENTHER (Age 78)
CAMPBELL, DONNAMAE JOHNSON (Age 67)
I reckon they are.
Sweetness and Light and Riehl World View are on this story too.
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/a-query-to-the-89th-divisions-website
Joe, you’re taking it all wrong. This is an examination of what Obama said, which currently is not passing the “smell test”.
It is not about what CT or CW Payne did. We are indebted to them for their service.
As a fellow vet, trust me, disparaging any vet’s service would be the last thing I would ever do.
Verrrrrrry Interesting!
PAYNE, JON VIRGIL (Age 70)
Available(2) Available LITTLETON, CO
ENGLEWOOD, CO
OAK RIDGE, TN Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, BARBARA
PAYNE, BARBARA JANE (Age 67)
People Search: PAYNE, JON V
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18 Matches Found (100 max.)
Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives
1. PAYNE, JOHNATHAN (Age 43)
Associated names:
PAYNE, JOHN V
PAYNE, JONATHAN V
Available(2) Available MEMPHIS, TN
HONOLULU, HI
WAHIAWA, HI
KAPOLEI, HI Possible Roommates / Associates:
CHRISTENSEN, SALLY M (Age 66)
DICKINSON, GAE N (Age 66)
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2. PAYNE, JON VIRGIL (Age 70)
Available(2) Available LITTLETON, CO
ENGLEWOOD, CO
OAK RIDGE, TN Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, BARBARA
PAYNE, BARBARA JANE (Age 67)
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3. PAYNE, JONJIA V (Age 39)
Associated names:
GRANT, TONJIA V
Possible Employment / Business Associations:
861 AUTOMOTIVE CONNECTION & SALES Taxi Cab Dispatch
ETC STAR ENTERPRISE, INC
Available(5) Available LOS ANGELES, CA
SAN DIEGO, CA
PALMDALE, CA Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, TONJIA V (Age 39)
PAYNE, SONJIA INGRID (Age 39)
PAYNE, MARILYN DEMETRUS (Age 41)
GRANT, JIMMIE J (Age 41)
PAYNE, HENRIETTE (Age 62)
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4. PAYNEJONES, VIVIAN M (Age 51)
Associated names:
JONES, VIVIAN M
JONES, VIVIAN PAYNE
PAYNE, V
PAYNE, VIVIAN M
PAYNE, JONES VIVIAN
Possible Employment / Business Associations:
VERSATILE INFORMATION PROCESSING, INC
Available(5) Available INDIANAPOLIS, IN
WESTFIELD, IN Possible Relatives:
JONES, DEBBIE SUSAN (Age 56)
JONES, PATK L
STEPHENSON, JEAN L (Age 67)
MCCASLAND, ANNA CHRISTINE (Age 47)
JONES, EILEEN L (Age 74)
JONES, LUCILLE C (Age 93)
JONES, HOWARD D
EVANS, BRANDON R (Age 30)
MESSER, WILLIE M (Age 56)
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5. PAYNE, JONATHAN V (Age 35)
Associated names:
PAYNE, JONETHAN
Available(2) Available MILLEDGEVILLE, GA
FORT RILEY, KS
ATLANTA, GA
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6. PAYNE, JONATHAN V (Age 29)
Associated names:
PAYNE, JON
Available(6) Available NORTH CHILI, NY
ROCHESTER, NY
CORTLAND, NY Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, DORIS (Age 84)
PAYNE, VIRGINIAA (Age 61)
PAYNE, VIRGINIA (Age 61)
PAYNE, GINNY (Age 61)
PAYNE, SCOTT R (Age 35)
PAYNE, KEVIN C (Age 31)
PAYNE, ERIKA L
PAYNE, DORIS G (Age 84)
ZASTROW, ERIKA L (Age 29)
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7. PAYNE, JONAH V (Age 28)
Available(2) Available LOS LUNAS, NM Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, KRIS M (Age 42)
PAYNE, JOANAH (Age 29)
PAYNE, KIMBERLY J (Age 41)
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8. PAYNE, JONATHAN V
Available MILLEDGEVILLE, GA
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9. PAYNE, JONETHAN V
Available MILLEDGEVILLE, GA Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, LIZZIE I
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10. PAYNE, JON V (Age 70)
Available(1) Available LITTLETON, CO Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, SUSAN ELLEN (Age 64)
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11. PAYNE, JON V (Age 70)
Available LITTLETON, CO
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13. PAYNE, JON V (Age 70)
Available LAKEWOOD, CO Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, S
PAYNE, SALLY G (Age 53)
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14. PAYNE, JON V
Available(1) Available SAHUARITA, AZ Possible Relatives:
PAYNE, SUSAN E
PAYNE, JOHN
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Maybe Obama’s genealogy was wrong and Charles T is the great uncle, not Charles W and they had another brother Jon, who is not listed either. And maybe he was no longer in Kansas when he joined the military. Lotsa maybes.
I would have hoped my reference to fighting under, "Admiral Patton" would have made it obvious that Obama was also failing my smell test.
Those are the army records. I believe is Navy SN is 6293977 and is not included under the army listing. The Naval DBs are a mess.
The census could be in error or illegible.
Jon was born after the census.
JON V PAYNE Born Aug 1937 Record Created: 04/2001
XXXX PEARL ST
ENGLEWOOD, CO 80110
JON V PAYNE Born 1937 Record Created: 10/2004
XXXX LONG CIR
LITTLETON, CO 80120
JON V PAYNE Born 1937 Record Created: 01/2002
XXXX LONG CIR
LITTLETON, CO 80120
JON V PAYNE Created: 03/2002
XXXX EVERETT WAY
LITTLETON, CO 80128
LOL!
OK man you got me! I very clearly missed it.
Should have known better when I saw it was you.
(still laughing).
Charles T Payne was Obama’s grandmother’s grandfather. He was born about June 1861 in Missouri and died sometime after the 1930 census where he is enumerated with his eldest daughter Lillie in Kansas City, Wyandotte County, Kansas.
http://genealogy.about.com/od/aframertrees/p/obama_three.htm
http://the.hesperos.googlepages.com/AncestorsofBarackHusseinObamaJr.pdf
They may not have caught Jon in the geneology records because he is only 71, so he would not have been listed in the 1930 census (the last one released, as there has to be a 72 year gap between the census and its release to the public, due to privacy concerns.) I found the name in some of the family-generated family trees of families just doing their geneologies - he was probably put there not by records search but by family members who knew.
I think the geneologies specifically done on Obama were probably made by those who didn’t know the family, so there will only be folks listed in public records (ie census data), unlike family-generated geneologies where families talk to each other and recall who was married to whom and “what where the names of Uncle Rolla’s kids”.
Ha he lives down the road from me!
“Jon Payne, Obama’s maternal great uncle, told CNN that his older brother Charles returned from the war with photographs of concentration camps but did not want to talk about his experiences. Payne, 71, said he was unsure if his brother — who is 83 and still living in Chicago — took the photographs himself.”
Gee, if he lives in Chicago, why didn’t Obama visit his elderly Uncle? If he had talked to him, he might not have had all these problems. Take your elderly uncle out to coffee, Barack!
No way!
You can scoop the story. LOL
Well I guess there is a Jon. Now did he say his bro was in the infantry?
So does ANYONE know what his great uncle Charles’ middle initial is?
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