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Marine heads to trial on obstruction charges in Haditha case [Lt Grayson court martial]
Associated Press via Mercury News ^ | May 28, 2008 | Chelsea J. Carter

Posted on 05/28/2008 3:33:36 AM PDT by RedRover

SAN DIEGO—A Marine intelligence officer heads to court Wednesday to answer charges of obstruction of justice and making false statements during an investigation into the killings of 24 Iraqis.

The court-martial of 1st Lt. Andrew Grayson is the first case to come to trial in the biggest U.S. criminal case involving civilian deaths to come out of the Iraq war.

Authorities maintain eight Marines killed the Iraqis shortly after a roadside bomb hit a convoy, killing the driver of a Humvee and wounding two Marines.

Grayson of Springboro, Ohio, was not present at the scene of the killings on Nov. 19, 2005, in Haditha, but is accused of telling a sergeant to delete photographs of the dead from his digital camera.

Investigators allege after the bombing, Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich and a squad member allegedly shot five men by a car at the scene. Wuterich then allegedly ordered his men into several houses, where they cleared rooms with grenades and gunfire, killing unarmed civilians in the process.

Charges against all but three Marines, including Grayson, have been dropped.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: courtmartial; grayson; haditha; usmc
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To: RedRover

Oh Gosh,ok I am getting ready to leave.I will pray a rosary on the way home right now.Gotta run,prayers,(((Hugs))))


381 posted on 06/04/2008 2:02:27 PM PDT by fatima (Pray.for Jim,founder of this forum.)
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To: Girlene
But prosecutors say Grayson lied five times to investigators prior to admitting he ordered the photos deleted.

I'd bet there is no recording of these alleged lies; just the testimony of NCIS agents. This is the exact reason you NEVER, EVER talk to the cops/NCIS without full immunity. anything you have to say can wait for the trial. If you don't talk to the cops/NCIS, it is impossible for them to misconstrue or lie about what you said.

382 posted on 06/04/2008 2:21:02 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: RedRover

Incompetence of the highest possible order is the *new normal for the industry of journalism.

Fact mean nothing, it’s all about the narrative.

*actually, not so new, not so different, more of the same tired old crap that has always infested that industry since it was start up print shops pushing pamphlets.


383 posted on 06/04/2008 2:50:28 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy; RedRover
Incompetence of the highest possible order is the *new normal for the industry of journalism.

Kind of matches the competency of the government in this case.

384 posted on 06/04/2008 3:18:10 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan

It is the usual case in such things as well. Governments are necessary evils to be tolerated, but only to a point. Anything with lots of people in it is going to be a mess. No way around that.


385 posted on 06/04/2008 3:25:40 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Grimmy

The prosecutors in this case are suffering from an onset of acute terminal stpidity.


386 posted on 06/04/2008 3:37:37 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: SeaHawkFan; Girlene; Grimmy; Lancey Howard; jazusamo; xzins

Just got off the phone with Pendleton. The jury started to deliberate at 1.00, Pacific and is still out.

Many hearts are in many throats, waiting.

I’m going to be on a train for an hour so may not get word if word comes soon.

If you’re a believer, please take a moment to hold up Andrew Grayson and his family in prayer.


387 posted on 06/04/2008 3:55:32 PM PDT by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops,org)
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To: RedRover

Lt. Grayson and his family, along with the families of the other accused Marines are in my prayers.


388 posted on 06/04/2008 3:57:29 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SeaHawkFan
The prosecutors in this case are suffering from an onset of acute terminal stpidity.

I Know that is rampant in civilian life, too. The problem is the concept of guilty until proven innocent. People in general don't see it until they are involved. Then it's a real WTF eye-opener.

389 posted on 06/04/2008 3:58:17 PM PDT by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: RedRover

Thanks, Red.

Prayers up for Lt. Grayson and his family.


390 posted on 06/04/2008 4:00:01 PM PDT by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: RedRover

Prayers up!

For Chessani and Wuterich, too.

Thanks, RedRover, for your tireless efforts in keeping us all informed.


391 posted on 06/04/2008 4:03:53 PM PDT by srweaver (Never Forget the Judicial Homicide of Terri Schiavo)
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To: Girlene
The case, he said, was falling apart, pointing to a move a day earlier by a judge who dismissed an obstruction of justice charge Grayson. "One of the greatest charges we started out with is no longer there," Casas said. "It's like the government ran a 90-yard punt return and got called back to line 10."

I sure hope Casas did a whole lot better with the rest of his closing argument than he did with that line quoted above. That line makes it sound like the case is about which side did the better lawyering rather than about the unjust railroad job that some cowardly military and civilian commanders perpetrated against a terrific Marine in order to try to appease a liberal press corps.

As far as I'm concerned, the best defense would have been to compare the glowing accolades from the parade of character witnesses against the lame conjectures of a politically ambitious prosecutor who has the unmitigated gall to blast Lt. Grayson as a liar who tried to avoid accouintability.

"Who do you believe," I would have asked, "all these fine Marines who have actually served with Lt. Grayson and gladly testified in his behalf, or a prosecutor who is trying to salvage something - - anything - - from a horribly botched, political witch hunt by trying to spin scant evidence and paint Lt. Grayson as a liar?"

Of course, maybe Casas DID offer remarks like that.
I sure hope so.

392 posted on 06/04/2008 4:24:01 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SeaHawkFan
I'd bet there is no recording of these alleged lies; just the testimony of NCIS agents. This is the exact reason you NEVER, EVER talk to the cops/NCIS without full immunity. anything you have to say can wait for the trial. If you don't talk to the cops/NCIS, it is impossible for them to misconstrue or lie about what you said.

Actually, some of the NCIS agents' testimony was beneficial to 1ar Lr. Grayson. They counterdicted some of Col. Watt's interpretations and found SSGT Lsughner, instead, to be untruthful about the photos, not Grayson. I can't figure out from what's been reported how he lied to Col. Watt. He said the photos did not exist, which they did not after being deleted. Then he told Col. Watt they'd been deleted after being questioned. The "lies" are beyond me.

Other than that, I agree about not talking to NCIS, especially since they don't want to use video/audiotapes, but write a summary of what they think you said.
393 posted on 06/04/2008 4:25:25 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: Lancey Howard
"Who do you believe," I would have asked, "all these fine Marines who have actually served with Lt. Grayson and gladly testified in his behalf, or a prosecutor who is trying to salvage something - - anything - - from a horribly botched, political witch hunt by trying to spin scant evidence and paint Lt. Grayson as a liar?"

Excellent synopsis. Could add....paint Lt. Grayson as a liar....using testimony from an ADMITTED liar, SSGT Laughner who lied to save his own skin.
394 posted on 06/04/2008 4:31:03 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: SeaHawkFan

“The prosecutors in this case are suffering from an onset of acute terminal stupidity.”

This is, in large part, due to the rest of us having sat on our hands and playing the victim class as the rightful, proper and long observed customs of dealing with traitors and other forms of betrayer filth have been abandoned by our socialist “betters”.

We act like feckless peasants, we get treated like feckless peasants.


395 posted on 06/04/2008 4:33:13 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: SeaHawkFan
If you don't talk to the cops/NCIS, it is impossible for them to misconstrue or lie about what you said

Excellent point.

Although, one wonders if someone willing to lie in the first place is also not willing to totally fabricate.

396 posted on 06/04/2008 4:42:23 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: RedRover

“Accountability for what?”

Exactly.

Lt Grayson wasn’t even there. He wasn’t accountable for anything. But, I’ve not read evidence supporting that he lied.

WHAT is he supposed to have lied about????


397 posted on 06/04/2008 4:47:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: Lancey Howard

I would also tie together the charges with the lack of supporting facts and the outright contradictions of the charges.

1. The obstruction charge was so obviously untrue that it was dropped.

2. The lying charge grew out of the dropped obstruction charge. Did Grayson ever lie about having pictures? No. Did Grayson lie about deleting pictures? No. Where is the flippin’ lie????

3. The discharge charge is the result of a Lt getting discharge papers, inquiring as to their legality, following the advice of a Jag officer all the way through, and then willingly complying when the discharge was terminated. Where is the fraud when you’re following legal counsel and being totally above board?


398 posted on 06/04/2008 4:54:49 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: RedRover
The judge asked to review it before its presented to the panel. Whatever for? Do you suppose it's SOP for a judge to review closing arguments in advance? I don't think so.
399 posted on 06/04/2008 5:05:09 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine Niece, Daughter, Wife, Friend, Sister, Cousin, Mom and FRiend)
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To: RedRover

Families...that is what America is supposed to stand for.
Our Government has put the Lt Grayson family through the meat grinder with these unfounded, unsupported and totally false charges. We stand in silent prayer for this hero Marine as he awaits the verdict. Lt Andrew Grayson will always be one of the few...the proud...the brave...a United States Marine.
Our prayers are with you

God Bless Our Haditha Marines

The Sharratt Family


400 posted on 06/04/2008 5:12:43 PM PDT by darrylsharratt
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