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Why Bob Barr Is Not a Conservative Alternative
Stop the ACLU ^ | 27-May-08 | John Stephenson

Posted on 05/27/2008 8:23:24 AM PDT by Jay777

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To: Always Right

Excellent Post! That’s my take on McCain too.

I’ll vote for him in November...but that’s only because the alternative (Clinton or Obama) is too awful to contemplate.


41 posted on 05/27/2008 12:04:11 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Deo volente
"That may very well be, but you're still throwing your vote away. In fact, you're taking a vote away from McCain and helping Obama."

That assumes that the vote was McCain's to begin with, which it was not.

Nobody "owes" McCain a vote if he can't convince us that his principles coincide with ours. And "fear of Obama" -- given that McCain agrees with Obama on open-borders, amnesty and most of the issues important to real Conservatives -- is not an effective weapon on those who use their brain enough to realize that one is just as bad as the other -- with the one distinction being that if McCain wins and enacts that kind of legislation, he will have succeeded in changing the outlook of the Republican Party forever and will make Republicans unelectable for decades!

42 posted on 05/27/2008 2:36:53 PM PDT by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: levotb
I find nothing offensive or unacceptable about that CP preamble.

Well I and (i'm sure) many others do. Any party who starts their platform declaring "Jesus Christ is the Creator, Preserver and Ruler of the Universe and of these United States" and "This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ" aren't worthy of any real Conservatives vote, even if they are Christian themselves.
43 posted on 05/27/2008 4:29:32 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: JackRyanCIA

Suggestion. Don’t use your vote as a weapon. Barr doesn’t have a chance in you-know-where of winning. Do you really want Obama in the White House?


44 posted on 05/27/2008 5:13:48 PM PDT by Rightfootforward ("If you think health care's expensive now, wait till it's free." P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Rightfootforward
Suggestion. Don’t use your vote as a weapon. Barr doesn’t have a chance in you-know-where of winning. Do you really want Obama in the White House?

Voting for someone you don't like because you dislike the other candidate IS using your vote as a weapon. This kind of thinking has brought us to where we are today.
45 posted on 05/27/2008 7:27:03 PM PDT by WackySam
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To: Jay777
Without getting in to the “who is more conservative debate” because there are valid arguments against both Barr and McCain, I look at exactly what each is running for.

Only one of the two is running for President. Like it or not, Barr is not a Presidential candidate despite where his name appears on the ballot. He is running to raise issues and his profile, and has no delusions about becoming President as the result of this election.

As a result, I do not consider him a candidate because his candidacy is not viable.

That leaves determining for yourself whether or not you want to actually be involved in choosing the next President. In choosing Barr you are, in essence, choosing to sit this one out, although you are trying to send a message. But your vote will not be one which helps choose who is President come Jan. 20, 2009. And, as it is your vote, that is your right.

As it stands right now I am choosing to be involved, but that may change. I doubt Barr would get my vote because while I share many libertarian principles, I do not support the platform of the Libertarian Party. I believe that a more powerful/higher profile Libertarian Party will serve ultimately to benefit the Democrats, and that is not something I can support.

46 posted on 05/27/2008 7:40:23 PM PDT by SlapHappyPappy
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To: Always Right
I don't care for about 30% of what McCain stands for and don't trust him on another 20%. But that is still far better than the damage Obama could do with a Democratic Senate and House.

I voted by the same rationale in 2004. Four years later I can clearly see the flaw in that rationale.

The argument that a vote on principle could in any way (short of ballot fraud) be a wasted vote is the number one lie that continues to keep the enemies of freedom in public office. To vote from fear rather than from principle is to undermine the very freedom to vote in the first place.

47 posted on 05/28/2008 10:35:54 AM PDT by Frumanchu (Life is too short to argue with liars)
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To: Frumanchu
I voted by the same rationale in 2004. Four years later I can clearly see the flaw in that rationale.

Really???? So you did not like the appointments of Alito and Roberts? You did not like the tax cuts? You did not like someone who has stood up in Iraq instead of surrendering to the al Qaeda terrorists? You did not like someone who kept us out of a Kyoto-type agreement?

I can understand frustration with the way Bush allowed the government spending to sprawl out of control, Bush's immigration stance, and Bush's lack of effective leadership, but boy there are numerous key things that Bush did an excellent job on that a Gore or Kerry would have screwed us royally on.

48 posted on 05/28/2008 10:43:41 AM PDT by Always Right (Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?)
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To: levotb

At least Barr is better than Obama/McCain.


50 posted on 06/06/2008 7:10:35 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: JackRyanCIA

I understand. But sometimes in life we have to do the best we can with the hand that’s been dealt us. Aiding and abetting Obama is simply not something I’m going to do.


53 posted on 06/07/2008 6:21:17 AM PDT by Rightfootforward ("If you think health care's expensive now, wait till it's free." P.J. O'Rourke)
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