Posted on 05/27/2008 8:23:24 AM PDT by Jay777
For conservatives unhappy with McCain as our candidate, I've heard a few mention Bob Barr as an alternative for their protest votes. Make sure you know who your voting for before you do so, and make sure if your protest is that of principle that you share the same principles with whom you pull the lever for. For some conservatives, Bob Barr's teamwork with the ACLU to fight against the Patriot Act and the NSA's terrorist surveillance program is enough to drop consideration. He has also sided with the ACLU on the immigration issue, opposing local law enforcement from helping to enforce immigration law.
However, for those that lean a little more towards the libertarian side...
(Excerpt) Read more at stoptheaclu.com ...
If you want to throw your vote away, just vote for me.
What would make Bob Barr a legitimate candidate is ironically, not him personally running, but with him sponsoring other libertarian candidates.
Running as an individual, even on the far fetched possibility that he would win, he would still lose, because he would be hopelessly outgunned by two political parties.
However, if he ran on a platform of getting 20 Representatives and 5 Senators elected, then he would win.
This is because that even with a minority faction, the Libertarians would become a “critical margin”. This would mean that they could triangulate both the Republicans and the Democrats, and have real power.
And until they have real power, they will not get their agenda advanced.
If one is a principled person, voting for McCain is 'throwing your vote away'. Think about it. This isn't a football game...and no matter which team wins, the country loses.
I'm considering Barr or the Constitution Party's candidate, or a write-in. I won't be a part of this RINO charade.
Bob Barr's nomination would offer conservatives a choice
Neocons and statists in the Republican ranks have attacked Mr. Barr for joining Congressman Dick Armey (ACU record 97%) in working with the ACLU in defending the Fourth Amendment. Even one of the smartest and most conservative talk show hosts to grace the air waves recently made the totally ridiculous statement that Congressman Barr isn't a "real" conservative because he has sided with the ACLU in that fight. Yet it is interesting that some, maybe even most, of those who have attacked Mr. Barr for working with the ACLU on protecting the Fourth Amendment and the rule of law had no qualms about siding with the ACLU themselves to fight the McCain-Feingold attack on free speech.
These hypocrites generally neglect to mention that Mr. Barr was not just siding with the ACLU in this effort to protect the Fourth Amendment. He was also siding with groups like the American Conservative Union, Americans for Tax Reform, the Free Congress Foundation, the Second Amendment Foundation, and other solidly conservative groups. Nor do they mention that bedrock conservative groups like the Christian Coalition, the National Rifle Association, Gun Owners of America, the National Association of Manufacturers, the Family Research Council, the Southeastern Legal Foundation, the Business-Industry Political Action Committee, the National Right to Life Committee, to name just a few, have also worked with the ACLU to protect a Constitutional right.
Of course, it's easier to attack one man than to attack scores of groups with millions of members and the resources to counter attack. It is easy to demonize an individual true conservative, but very risky to attack groups with millions of conservative members. Attacking every conservative leader or group who ever sided with the ACLU on an issue would immediately expose these hypocrites for what they are. Some of the talk show personalities, bloggers, columnists and talking heads, who have attacked Congressman Barr as not being a conservative because he works with the ACLU defending the Fourth Amendment and the rule of law, by their own reasoning must not be "real" conservatives either, since they sided with the ACLU defending the First Amendment.
The truth of the matter is, if Bob Barr gets the Libertarian Party's nomination, he will be the only conservative in the race. His candidacy will offer conservatives a choice of voting their convictions by voting for a man with an unblemished track record of supporting classical conservative positions, or voting for the lesser of two evils.
Barr, a former Member of Congress, has served with the U.S. Department of Justice and Central Intelligence Agency. He continues to serve on the Board of Directors of the National Rifle Association and works with such groups as the American Conservative Union Foundation and the ACLU on issues related to privacy and national security and also serves as the Chairman for Patriots to Restore Checks and Balances.
Depends on what issues are most important to you. If you don't care about paying more taxes, surrendering to the Muslims, nationalized health care, free government money for education and unemployed, Supreme Court, then I suppose there is little difference. I don't care for about 30% of what McCain stands for and don't trust him on another 20%. But that is still far better than the damage Obama could do with a Democratic Senate and House.
However, in my mention of him siding with the ACLU, the issue of McCain/Feingold was not one of the issues I brought up.
REAL Constitutional Conservatives are oppposed to the “Patriot Act”.
REAL Conservatives are in favor of individual liberty (and understand and accept that there are certain dangers which go along with TRUE individual liberty).
Certain REPUBLICRATS are VERY gung ho about the “Patriot Act” and various other Constituational infringements because it gives them (temporarily) more control over persons with whom they disagree.
Let’s see how fast they change their tune if ol’ B. Hussein ends up holding the reins and HIS administration gets to enforce the “Patriot Act”.
I will not vote for Bob Barr but to somehow imply that McInsane is BETTER? I don’t think so.
I don't really like Bob, but I would take him over McCain in a heart beat. The Republican party is going to lose their butts this election. I am almost convinced they do not even want to win.
How sure are you about McCain and tax cuts?! He opposed the Bush tax cuts and has claimed he 'doesn't understand the economy'.
He's against waterboarding and wants to close down Gitmo.
He's talked about a national health care plan.
He won't be stripping or trimming entitlements, especially for 'God's children'.
He'll supposedly appoint justices like Roberts and Alito - what about Scalia or Thomas? Do you think he is more or less conservative than George H.W. Bush? Look what he gave us.
And what's with this bilge about global warming?
McCain is a nitemare candidate. Oh, and a little issue called immigration. DISASTER.
Obama may be double the disaster but a disaster is a disaster!
It's insulting that anyone on FR, supposedly a place of principle, should be pushing this RINO.
1. I only implied for protest voters to educate themselves and make sure their principles are the same as Barr’s before jumping the gun.
2. McCinsane IS better than Obama
3. Since McCinsane is better than Obama, and a vote for Barr is a vote against McCinsane...a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.
Attention everyone. Don't listen to Always Right and vote for me.
My first act would be to dissolve Congress and send them all home because they would just get in the way as I elimate most of the federal government.
I am 100% certain what Obama is proposing and it will get done with a Democratic Congress. We will see effective federal income tax rates in excess of 50% under Obama. Even if McCain does nothing, that is 10x better.
He'll supposedly appoint justices like Roberts and Alito - what about Scalia or Thomas? Do you think he is more or less conservative than George H.W. Bush? Look what he gave us.
There is no way I am going to give the liberals a chance to replace all four liberal hags on the court with younger versions. Even if McCain doesn't get any appointments, if Obama wins there will be around 3 or 4 of the liberal justices would take the opportunity to retire and be replaced by justices 20-25 years younger.
I doubt if anyone will find a candidate that he agrees with 100%, but Barr is a Helluva lot closer to my principles that McCain.
How bad do you want that loss to be? I'd rather the score be close that a complete blowout.
The ONLY Conservative alternative to the current crop of egotistical mental midgets is Ann Coulter. I wish she could take the pay cut. The debates and the confirmation hearings would be amazing.
There are good reasons why we normally don’t elect Senators to the Presidency (the last being JFK and we KNOW how wonderful that turned out). We see three good reasons right before our eyes.
Vote for Ann!
Well said!
Bob Barr lost all credibility by joining up with the ACLU.
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