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HOW COULD SHE GO THERE!? Hillary, Political Psychopath
News | 5/25/2008 | emmavoberry

Posted on 05/26/2008 9:30:06 PM PDT by Democrats hate too much

HOW COULD SHE GO THERE!? Hillary, Political Psychopath*

Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:40:57 PM PDT

WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "sociopath"most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say "ordinary lives," but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don't have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don't feel affection. They don't care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic those feelings remarkably well.

... This is an interesting question. The answer is chilling: They want to win... whatever the game is decided to be. If they are in business, it is becoming rich. If it is sibling rivalry, it is defeating the sibling. If it is a contest, the goal is to dominate. If a sociopath is the envious sort, winning would be making the other lose, or fail, or be frustrated, or embarrassed.

A sociopath's goal is to win. And he is willing to do anything at all to win.

Adam Khan  in "Common Everyday Sociopaths"

HOW COULD SHE!? Go there?

Because it was there. Merely another card in the strategic deck, a song in the repertoire for when the audience starts poking at the aspic.

You ask, "But didn't she REALIZE?"

HRC's remaining die-hards reply, "What-me-realize?"  MSM spin.  At our girl again.

You sputter, "Bu-but, what did she MEAN?"

HRC et al say, "Historic reference," you moronic misogynist!

Let Dr. Voberry explain.

She meant exactly what she said.

She said(Friday, May 23) to the editorial board of the Sioux Falls, SD, Argus Leader:

My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won
        the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?
        We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.
        I don't understand it.

Here is what she could have, but did not say:

       My husband did not wrap up the nomination...somewhere in the middle of
       June, right? And, likewise,  Bobby Kennedy didn't secure the nomination in
       California until then.

It still would have been a subject for speculation as to why she didn't reference other, less tragic contests to show that a team can upset another just before the buzzer, the turtle can suprisingly beat the hare. But note.  She juxtaposes one example with another that is not situationally(and this is underscored linguistically)  parallel to it.

In fact, because she leads with the first example, we would expect the second to be of like kind. And in watching the video, we see how deftly, how easily, in tone and manner, she segues from the first example to the next.


My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992  until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June,  right?
        We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.

        I don't understand it.

This is lawyering at its best. This is not a slip of the tongue, but a practiced and smooth glide as it sticks itself out at the PUBLIC--having darted out for a few dry-runs two other times.  This time is no rehearsal.  Later? Got that covered too.  

The lawyer and the politician, at this level of the game, are masters of ambiguity, skillfully planting a hedging-bets clause to blame the sucker who signed the contact for misreading it.  If that fails, "I misspoke," "I'm only human," or "So what?"  

Back to what she said(rather than HOW she said it) in terms of what she meant.

Literal translation:  "I could still win.  Bill didn't win until the middle of June. Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June. "

In other words: "I could still win because I could clinch this in June or Obama could be assassinated in June."

Ironically, in that she intentionally gave both examples an off-hand delivery,  because she meant to slip the idea in there and later say it was all a slip,  HOW she said it is exactly what creeps us out.  Like a perp trying to out psyche a polygraph, she issued both examples in the same matter-of-fact, low key, unemotive,  unblinking manner.  She didn't miss a beat.

If she's going to say such a thing, how can she not betray a nano-second of emotion, a wince, a pained rise or drop in pitch, a sharp intake of breath?  

Crisply and deliberately, she moves from an example of victory to a NATIONAL TRAGEDY, one engraved in the collective American psyche as  profoundly and achingly as any other wound since the nation began.  Indeed, RFK's  assassination in l968 is such a resonant reference because history has come full circle.  Who among us has not thunk it?  Who among us, no matter our age, has not had the sense of impending horror as we watch history being made anew at the same time it is repeating?


No one would do that in her right mind.  No one would think she could get away with using our deepest sorrow as a calculated strategy.  Does she think we are that stupid?  


Bu-but surely she KNOWS, she must REALIZE how people would view what she said, even if not intentional, that people would recoil in horror, she'd be seen as poison, she'd doom any chance at being vice-president even....


She thought we wouldn't catch her out.  She figured if we did she'd finesse as usual.  She could not possibly connect up to us.  She could not READ us.  Thus, she did not think we could read her.

Herve Cleckley, who first explored what used to be viewed as a "moral defect" in the framework of psychology, in his pathblazing text, The Mask of Sanity, features  a frontpiece quote to the effect that the wax rose is more beautiful, more perfect than the real thing.  But the downfall of the sociopath, whether one born that way, or created by circumstances--perhaps by the nature of the game she must play--is this incapacity to estimate the true depth and implication of the psychological gestalt, that weave of memory, emotion, personal and collective experience, as it composes the inner reservoir of other people.

Martha Stout Ph.d in her highly readable best-seller " The Sociopath Next Door", takes Dr. Robert D. Hare's seminal research( author of Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of Psychopaths Among Us) and relocates prison-based studies to a larger venue.  Her emphasis on "garden variety," non-violent and often high-functioning sociopaths is very much in keeping with Dr. Hare and Cleckley's intent:  to warn those most at risk of being victimized by sociopaths in their own midst.  They knew what we need to.

Classic sociopaths ,and those somewhere on the continuum from mild to severe, are not found mostly in prison or even in psychiatrists' offices.  And contrary to the opinions of many mental health professionals who have not studied character disorders intensively, and who have no background in forensic psychology, sociopaths can ascend the highest social, economic, and political ladders.

In fact, outside of prisons, we are likely to find our sociopaths in just such stratospheres.  Charm, ambition, intelligence, and a gift to gain the authentic trust and confidence of others--these are the hallmarks of the over-achieving sociopath(sometimes overachieves by virtue of a parasitical relationship with one in power).

Then if they are so damned smart, how and why slip up?

Almost invariably they do.  
Although Hare and other experts allude to the quirky and erratic nature of their balance between successful social mask and the impulsive and irrational character behind it, Stout takes on their seemingly inexplicable contradictions as we often encounter them--from next door, to the boardroom, to the
oval office.

What she says in essence is that not only do sociopaths view themselves as smarter--and as others including Hare have pointed out, through repetition and finessing become accomplished liars(also are grandiose enough to GO FOR IT and have a high enough emotional and neurological threshold to JUST DO IT) but they also really do not realize, do not understand, do not know down to their inner core, what others, in the most real way, FEEL.  For they can not FEEL the same way.

The emotions and ethics, pathos and ethos, as they drive people to die for one another and their country, as they form that country's most palpable and vulnerable and yet eternally-beating and fighting HEART, are appeals to make to a jury, pawns to move in a game of politics; these core emotions and ethics can be PLAYED to, even mimicked, but not EXPERIENCED.  This fact constitutes the main difference between the sociopath and the rest of us.  

Martha Stout reminds us that sociopaths do not have dependable sensors, in that sort of primordial and intuitive way mothers do,for the deepest emotional self of others(or nations) and, other people's ability to read THEM. Here, I do not claim that HRC is a bad mother or does not have the ability to empathize with her friends, to sense her husband's concerns.  A case can be made that the political game, played for the highest stakes under the most extreme and public conditions, desensitizes its participants, rewards them for behavior that in any other setting all would agree is sick, duplicitous.  And, in the vise of ambition, having but seconds to overturn the game, could not the most sensitive woman find her powers of empathy, even her own ethical sense squeezed out of her?

HRC has been in the crucible of politics and the cross hairs of media for decades.  But now, even by "Politics as Usual" standards, she seems to manifest a moral defect, a lack of empathetic understanding, that is verging on pathological, as the historian Douglas Brinkley suggested in a very sympathetic way.  I believe she's been operating in a sociopathic way politically for many years, and that now, mirroring socipatholgy as it is expressed outside the political game, her mask of sanity is slipping.

When this happens, the classic sociopath has excuses at the ready.  We accept the faintest of apologies and blame its being so tepid on the conditions that called for it--lack of sleep, lapse in memory, stress.  We accept the apology for to do otherwise is to have to think the worst.  We accept because the apology refocuses us on our own faults and on the poor, poor stressed out, sleepless, amnesiac whom we have forced to apologize in this humiliating way.
WHOA! Martha Stout's admonition is apropos at this juncture:

" find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with
a sociopath."

      "Earlier today, I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the

       course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns that both my husband
       and Senator Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968, and I
       was referencing those to make the point that we have had nominating primary
       contests that go into June.  That's historic fact. The Kennedys have been much

       on my mind in the last days because of Senator Kennedy, and I regret that if
       my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire
       nation and particularly for the Kennedy family was in any way offensive.  I

       certainly had no intention of  that whatsoever." (ital mine)

George K. Simon calls the emotional manipulation sociopaths wield so expertly "covert aggression"(Psychopaths in Sheep's Clothing). Adapting his notion, and quoting from Fiona McColl's "Eight Ways to Spot Emotional Manipulation," the website "Psychopathy" in its discussion of Simon's book advises as follows:


There is no use in trying to be honest with an emotional manipulator. You make a statement and it will be turned around. Example: I am really angry that you forgot my birthday. Response - "It makes me feel sad that you would think I would forget your birthday, I should have told you of the great personal stress I am facing at the moment - but you see I didnt want to trouble you. You are right I should have put all this pain (dont be surprised to see real tears at this point) aside and focused on your birthday. Sorry."


IN CLOSING:  even sociopaths aren't bad all of the time

I'll spare my readers Cleckley, Hare, and Stout's( et al) consideration of "the lightly taken debt, the shrugged off loan"( Hare)--and as Cleckly says "Not all(Ital mine) checks given by psychopaths" bounce. Rather, effective sociopaths, prodded to good conduct by the prize they seek, will have long runs of responsible behavior:

It is characteristic of them during some periods their financial obligations...they may apply their excellent abilities in business or in study for a week, for months, or even for a year or more and thereby gain potential security, win a scholarship, be acclaimed top salesman or elected president of a social club or perhaps of a school honor society(Cleckley).

And I might add, President of the--Sorry, couldn't help myself.

But you are right dear reader.  This is no laughing matter.  Wherever you stand on HRC, love her or hate her, we have been shaken by the elephant no one wanted to talk about trumpeting in our ears, and we are particularly sensitive because of the serious illness of a senator some of us love and almost all of us respect.

Regardless of how HRC's unfortunate reference impacts her electability, next is the May 31 meeting of the rules comittee to decide the fate of MI and FL.  My own opinion is that, to give justice to the voters, delegates must be seated in some way.   But if the issue of Clinton's prior stance on the rules comes up, I would point to,and will close with, Dr, Hare's admonition:

"They do not honor formal or implied commitments to people, organizations, or principles... their good intentions are written on the wind."  


DISCLAIMER:  The diarist does not claim or intend to offer a professional diagnosis on which treatment must be predicated.   She certainly does not purport to apply a lay person's analysis, or even that assumed in  the professional literature cited, to  Ms. Clinton's PERSONAL life and behaviors.  She means anything in this diary to apply only to Clinton's actions in the political arena.  The diarist writes much in the vein of other students and academics' application of "psycho-history" and "psycho-biography" to historical and current events, peoples, social and political movements.  

TERMINOLOGY:  Because in the early use of the term "psychopath," the general public and the media construed the term to mean a person with some form of psychosis, practitioners and researchers in this particular field of study and its settings, tend to use the word "sociopath."  They can, and are, used interchangeably.

Sociopathology, in its current incarnation, predominantly influenced by Robert Hare's pioneering studies and research, and his development of highly reliable diagnostic tools, is the study of a psychiatric disorder that can be seen to include some of the features that DSM-IV lists under "anti-social personality."  Many mental health practitioners do refer to this label for socipathy.  In terms of the field of characterolgical disorders, narcissism is subsumed.  

Proponents of character disorder theory, criminal profiling, and sociopatholgical theory and practice see these taxonomies as far as real-life applications as overlapping and their various traits as existing on a continuum.  

THE DIARIST: Is a college English instructor whose graduate and undergraduate work included courses such as "literature and psychoanalysis" and so she easily  assumes the role of amateur psychologist.  Has been a candidate in two graduate psychology programs, one in Forensic Psychology, but finished neither.  Did complete the requirements for a two year degree in "The Administration of Justice" and has been an intern in juvenile probation.  She will always answer to "Dr. Voberry" with alacrity and great joy.




TOPICS: Editorial; US: California
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2008election; california; clinton; election2008; hillary; hillaryclinton; psychopath; robertfkennedy; robertkennedy; sociopath
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1 posted on 05/26/2008 9:30:06 PM PDT by Democrats hate too much
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The Clinton's are both Sociopaths...

An old Free Republic link into the psychology of the Clintons. In my opinion, the best article written about the Clintons.
Toward a theory of William Jefferson Clinton: an answer to Edith Efron
2 posted on 05/26/2008 9:35:30 PM PDT by Democrats hate too much
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This “Dr.” gives a laundry list of behaviors that define a “sociopath” and then at the end considers it an “illness”. Which is it, culpable behavior or non-culpable illness?

3 posted on 05/26/2008 9:36:52 PM PDT by avenir
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Sorry, try this link... It looks like it is no longer on Free Republic but you can find it cached on yahoo...
Toward a theory of William Jefferson Clinton: an answer to Edith Efron
4 posted on 05/26/2008 9:38:23 PM PDT by Democrats hate too much
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Ugh, I think I might be a sociopath...I never remember birthdays!

5 posted on 05/26/2008 9:44:15 PM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (I'll take a "third Bush term" over a second Carter term ANY DAY!)
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Some of us have known about the Clintons for a very long time. For me, it is amazing that so many people could have been successfully deceived for so long.

6 posted on 05/26/2008 9:47:58 PM PDT by oneolcop
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To: PJ-Comix


7 posted on 05/26/2008 9:49:47 PM PDT by JRios1968 ("If you go over a cliff with all flags flying, you are still going over a cliff"--Ronald Reagan)
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Profile of a Sociopath.

Hillary see this in the mirror.

8 posted on 05/26/2008 9:51:43 PM PDT by upchuck (Who wins doesn't matter. They're all liberals. Spend your time and money to take back Congress.)
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9 posted on 05/26/2008 9:51:54 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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Go there? Ha. She's lived there all her life. It's amazing to watch these libs wake up to the fact that the Clintons are calculating, power-mad, duplicitous, capable of doing anything, maybe even of getting away with anything...

I've said it before, but wow these liberals sure do learn slowly.

10 posted on 05/26/2008 9:52:31 PM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("a wee bit silly." -Lord Trimble on Hillary Clinton's claim of foreign policy "experience".)
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11 posted on 05/26/2008 9:55:53 PM PDT by Freee-dame
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
"It's amazing to watch these libs wake up to the fact that the Clintons are"

-I am on a couple Obama email news groups. Here is an email from one to a listserver in response to Hillary saying she is staying till the convention because Obama might get assasinated...

Email from Obama Supporter to Obama Listserver ##################################
I think Hillary is having a nervous breakdown, and she has a following of supporters who don't even realize that she's having a break down.

I hope everyone remembers the little horse in Kentucky. The one Hillary bet on. The one that was in second place but when she saw another horse name big brown passing her she tried to catch up, but sadly died. The horse committed suicide trying to win. I fear that Hillary will be committing political suicide making these lies and threats. It's just not right. Doesn't anyone around her care enough to say "let's over." As a woman, is this our representation. I just don't understand Hilary. Could the Republicans have been right about her all this time? Sometimes I look back and I wonder whether the clinton's were lying to us or the Republicans? No wonder the Republicans hated her.

I still believe she doesn't know what she's doing. I think she thinks she doing the right think. Remember when she made the Bosnia Sniper Lies. Everyone tried to correct her and Bill, and they couldn't admit they were wrong, until we saw it on tape. She is narcissitic.

I really couldn't support her even as VP. I would be afraid for Obama's life everyday. If she would go to these great lengths just to be VP and make history, what would she do if Obama was in the white house. Wouldn't she poison him.

I don't think winning the white house is worth him losing his self respect by having her strong arm him. This is beyond disagreements. She has called him sexist and all other kinds of hateful names. I couldn't even respect him as a leader if he allowed Hillary to get the VP spot through threats. And Hillary knows this. This is why I think she wants him to lose.

She can't even win NY Senator. New York is made up of liberals and minorities. Shoot even the working class white folks are getting a little turned off in New York. And New Yorkers are mean. They will remember this race, and they will not be as forgiving as maybe PA.
12 posted on 05/26/2008 10:01:23 PM PDT by Democrats hate too much
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Actually, I have been worrying since last summer that some nut with a gun might target either major candidate. Does that make me a sociopath. I will never forget the days of death—JFK, Martin Luther King Jr., and RFK. As a young bride cried for a week thinking about Jackie losing her husband, with MLK had to flee the city as looters were running in front of my house with cases of liquor on their heads, the evening after RFK’s death a housemate came home in tears as he and a whole roomful of people had been held up at gunpoint. Then there were the children killed in a church bombing, a white housewife murdered while driving a young freedom rider back north, three young men murder and their killer only tried very recently.

These were bad, bad times, and as a young women they shocked me deeply. As a teenager, I wonder how much more deeply Hillary may have been affected. Could just be the stupid expression out loud of something a number of us have probably been thinking.

13 posted on 05/26/2008 10:01:37 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Well you have been under a lot of stress, and missed a lot of sleep...

14 posted on 05/26/2008 10:02:00 PM PDT by null and void (Capitalism=>Audi, BMW, Porsche, Volkswagon. |WALL| Communism=>Trabi. Any questions?)
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I really couldn't support her even as VP. I would be afraid for Obama's life everyday.

Not to worry. He'd be safe for the first two years and one day:

As I've been saying for many years, I'm worried about VICE President Clinton.
Think of it:

• Two years and one day into her term the first slotter gets arkincided
• Under Article XXII, she can still run for two full terms as the incumbent
• The Glorious Hillary!™ Decade begins
• Hillary uses the Patriot Act to it's fullest extent, and beyond
• At the end of the Glorious Hillary!™ Decade there is a National Emergency "temporarily" delaying the elections
• Under the pressure of the National Emergency, the 2nd and 22nd amendments are repealed
• By the time the National Emergency is over all the 'improved' source code for the touch screen electronic balloting will be in place......

Just as an aside, with the Clinton's well known love of 'ethnics', Obama is very expendable, isn't he?

15 posted on 05/26/2008 10:07:05 PM PDT by null and void (Capitalism=>Audi, BMW, Porsche, Volkswagon. |WALL| Communism=>Trabi. Any questions?)
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Gee, it only takes KOS 16 years to spot a power mad, sociopathic tyrant in a former “Greatest Smartest Woman In The World Destined To Be President.”

Who do they think is the Greatest these days?

16 posted on 05/26/2008 10:15:28 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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“This is not a slip of the tongue, but a practiced and smooth glide as it sticks itself out at the PUBLIC—having darted out for a few dry-runs two other times”

Typical liberals at the Daily KOS — they mystically know what people’s motives are and what drives them.

17 posted on 05/26/2008 10:18:12 PM PDT by littlehouse36 (Thou shalt not teach theory as science!)
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I’m gonna go way out on a limb here and say you aren’t a sociopath. Hope this helps you sleep better.

18 posted on 05/26/2008 10:26:00 PM PDT by dr_lew
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Basically what ol' Lumpy Thighs said was "he could be shot and then I could be the nominee". What she REALLY meant was, "do I have any volunteers?"

Can you imagine this shrieking nutwad at a negotiation table with Iran? eesh.

19 posted on 05/26/2008 10:35:09 PM PDT by Hi Heels (Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.)
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To: upchuck
Glibness/Superficial Charm - Don't we all wish.

Manipulative and Conning - Not a bit of it.

Grandiose Sense of Self - Well ...

Pathological Lying - Got nothing against it, but I'm terrible at it.

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt - What do you call a great steaming pile of Remorse, Shame, and Guilt?

Callousness/Lack of Empathy - Joe Empath, here.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature - Hey! Let's Party!

... How did I do?

Boy, you know though, that last one is kind of interesting re the Clintons. Nominally, you would have to think that their tremendous success in politics and society illustrates tremendous self-discipline, and this is hard to deny. The alternative is like, the biggest con job ever. Hmmmm. I remember a show once during the early Clinton days when they had on a man and wife team of veteran Clinton watchers from the Arkansas days. They recited a litany of incredible outrages, and the host then asked increduously, "but how could they get away with all this?" They responded spontaneously in unison, "THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW!"

20 posted on 05/26/2008 10:56:04 PM PDT by dr_lew
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