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1 posted on 05/24/2008 9:04:50 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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This article totally side-steps the fact that Ben Stein's movie does Michael Moore-style edits on Darwin's words, taking some out from the middle of quotes, changing the meaning.

And other distortions, such as those noted in the article cited.

I lost respect for Ben Stein with this stunt of his. :-(

2 posted on 05/24/2008 9:23:09 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SeekAndFind

yup


3 posted on 05/24/2008 9:24:09 PM PDT by raygunfan
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4 posted on 05/24/2008 9:25:23 PM PDT by ASA Vet
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"The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil." --Charles Darwin

5 posted on 05/24/2008 9:27:18 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: SeekAndFind
Don't creationists know when to reach some accommodation with science?

They have tried for 150 years to refute the theory of evolution -- and have failed.

All the while, science has moved ahead with increasing speed and the evidence supporting the theory of evolution has become broader and deeper. Radiometric dating could have been a problem, but it supported the theory, as did the geological record. The new field of genetics could have overturned the theory of evolution, but instead it made it stronger. Paleontologists have been finding important new fossils and filling in those gaps.

Increasingly creationists have been put in a position where they have had to deny both scientific methods and a large percentage of scientific findings.

Having failed for all of these years to make a dent in the theory of evolution, creationists are now reduced to the shameful argument that Hitler used Darwin's ideas, so Darwin is discredited and "his-theory-of-evolution-is-no-good-we-told-you-so-so-there."

Expelled tried it, and this website has had numerous threads making a big deal about the assumed Darwin-Hitler connection.

What a joke. But I guess that type of logic and reasoning is a part of creation "science."

6 posted on 05/24/2008 9:28:31 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Darwin's work cannot be understand except in the light of many decades of selected breeding. He simply looked at the adaptations of animals in nature as similar, the difference being that he posited no artificial hand in the process, rather allowing the environment dictating the changes. In any case, eugenics, the development of Darwin's relative, is hardly more than animal husbandry applied to human beings.
7 posted on 05/24/2008 9:30:48 PM PDT by RobbyS (Ecce homo)
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8 posted on 05/24/2008 9:34:01 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Physician-assisted Murder (aka-Euthanasia), Don't Democrats just kill ya?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The question is not so much whether Darwin would have approved but on what basis he would have disapproved.
Law? Morality? Economics? Darwin certainly would’ve considered Hitler a monster but he could hardly argue with his goals.


10 posted on 05/24/2008 9:38:42 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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Hitler believed in racial essentialism, and saw "race mixing" as an abomination. The austere considerations of Darwin's theory of the Origin of Species could hardly be more remote from his type of thinking:

"It is idle to argue which race or races were the original representative of human culture and hence the real founders of all that we sum up under the word 'humanity.' It is simpler to raise this question with regard to the present, and here an easy, clear answer results. All the human culture, all the results of art, science, and technology that we see before us today, are almost exclusively the creative product of the Aryan. This very fact admits of the not unfounded inference that he alone was the founder of all higher humanity, therefore representing the prototype of all that we understand by the word 'man.' He is the Prometheus of mankind from whose bright forehead the divine spark of genius has sprung at all times, forever kindling anew that fire of knowledge which illumined the night of silent mysteries and thus caused man to climb the path to mastery over the other beings of this earth. Exclude him-and perhaps after a few thousand years darkness will again descend on the earth, human culture will pass, and the world turn to a desert. - Mein Kampf, Chapter XI, Nation and Race

12 posted on 05/24/2008 9:42:41 PM PDT by dr_lew
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The following is from documentation used in the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials. It is made available by Yale Law School. The excerpt below is from the minutes of a meeting where Nazi officials discussed the execution of the final solution of the Jewish question. I offer it here as it illustrates the practical results of atheistic, Darwinian thought.
Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes.

The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival.

In the course of the practical execution of the final solution, Europe will be combed through from west to east. Germany proper, including the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, will have to be handled first due to the housing problem and additional social and political necessities.

The evacuated Jews will first be sent, group by group, to so-called transit ghettos, from which they will be transported to the East.

Notice how it is the atheistic, Darwinian view of human life - humanity as a biological species only, without any reference to God - that makes the above cold-blooded discussion of human natural selection possible.

The complete text can be found here:

http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/wannsee.htm

21 posted on 05/24/2008 9:52:28 PM PDT by ofwaihhbtn (Science is not defined as that which supports atheistic materialism)
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Social Darwinism was popular in Germany since about World War I, and was a strong part of the Nazi belief system. It’s what they call “bad science”; thst is, science sculpted to fit one’s political views. Sort of like global warming today only without the mountains of bodies.


38 posted on 05/24/2008 10:13:05 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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Evolution is garbage science and, as garbage science goes, a spectacularly dangerous and pernicious variety with two world wars and a couple of hundred million dead bodies lying around on account of it. The out of control arms races and isms which brought those wars and the massacres associated with communism and naziism about all began with the idea of a peson viewing his neighbor as a meat byproduct of random events rather than as a fellow child of God.


109 posted on 05/25/2008 2:53:32 AM PDT by wendy1946
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Thanks for the input on this.

Also Darwin is the ultimate scientific hero? His theories did nothing to really help humanity.

I consider the tireless researchers who find cures for diseases to be heroes.


113 posted on 05/25/2008 4:32:33 AM PDT by mccainvoterinobamaville
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133 posted on 05/25/2008 10:04:21 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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Therefore Jesus is Evil.

187 posted on 05/26/2008 9:58:05 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (Creationists on the internet: The Ignorant, amplifying the Stupid.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Darwin's eugenic ideas were spread all over Europe and America, until they were common intellectual coin by Hitler's time

This is the key to the issue. Darwinism including social Darwinism and its eugenic technology was generally considered an acceptable school of thought up until the Third Reich revealed its ugly face.

To deny this is to ignore history, something the once respectable Scientific American has become rather good at.

247 posted on 05/28/2008 11:48:04 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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marked 2 read later


283 posted on 06/03/2008 2:24:09 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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