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1 posted on 05/24/2008 7:55:09 AM PDT by Clairity
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...the U.S. coastline is off-limits to energy production - including huge reserves off Florida's coast, which China is exploiting,,,

Yeah, not drilling is helping the environment, cuz China knows how to do it better, right? Oh, and they will sell us the oil just as cheap as we could produce it, right?

Effing idiots.

2 posted on 05/24/2008 7:59:12 AM PDT by Principled (Vaporize the "Divide and Conquer" taxes - Have everyone pay the same marginal rate!. NRST!)
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What? States Rights? OMG!


3 posted on 05/24/2008 8:00:46 AM PDT by Eurale
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Well, we could drill our own oil, just off the shores of Texas, Florida, California or the eastern coast ....

or, we could wait and simply buy the oil from China, Venezuela, Mexico, Cuba and Russia who are drilling off the same shores, just 12 or more miles off the shore in international waters. Because, as everyone knows the cause of all the world’s pollution is the USA, every other country is far more ecologically conscious than the evil Americans. < /sarcasm off>


4 posted on 05/24/2008 8:00:51 AM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, come Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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Soon, we will have Cuban gas wells off the coast of Florida while we continue to prohibit American gas producers from doing so. Russia will extend its control of Arctic fields while Alaskan oil production continues to decline. And the Democrats will achieve their goal of destroying the economic sovereignty of the United States. Just ask Maxine Waters.


5 posted on 05/24/2008 8:00:56 AM PDT by Hoodat (Bull Moose Party Member)
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Read this and I think you will agree the oil industry has already been Nationalized in the US;

It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. “The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer’s goods for his consumption.”

The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern “maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets.” But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. “Market exchange,” says Mises, “is only a sham.”

Mises’s account is confirmed by a remarkable book that appeared in 1939, published by Vanguard Press in New York City (and unfortunately out of print today). It is The Vampire Economy: Doing Business Under Fascism by Guenter Reimann, then a 35-year old German writer. Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the “monster machine” of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.

“Industrialists were visited by state auditors who had strict orders to examine the balance sheets and all bookkeeping entries of the company or individual businessman for the preceding two, three or more years until some error or false entry was found,” explains Reimann. “The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error.”

Reimann quotes from a businessman’s letter: “You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except ‘distributing the wealth.’ Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.

“While state representatives are busily engaged in investigating and interfering, our agents and salesmen are handicapped because they never know whether or not a sale at a higher price will mean denunciation as a ‘profiteer’ or ‘saboteur,’ followed by a prison sentence. You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.

“There are terrible times coming. If only I had succeeded in smuggling out $10,000 or even $5,000, I would leave Germany with my family. Business friends of mine are convinced that it will be the turn of the ‘white Jews’ (which means us, Aryan businessmen) after the Jews have been expropriated. The difference between this and the Russian system is much less than you think, despite the fact that we are still independent businessmen.”

As Mises says, “independent” only in a decorous sense. Under fascism, explains this businessman, the capitalist “must be servile to the representatives of the state” and “must not insist on rights, and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred.” It’s the businessman, characteristically independent, who is “most likely to get into trouble with the Gestapo for having grumbled incautiously.”

“Of all businessmen, the small shopkeeper is the one most under control and most at the mercy of the party,” recounts Reimann. “The party man, whose good will he must have, does not live in faraway Berlin; he lives right next door or right around the corner. This local Hitler gets a report every day on what is discussed in Herr Schultz’s bakery and Herr Schmidt’s butcher shop. He would regard these men as ‘enemies of the state’ if they complained too much. That would mean, at the very least, the cutting of their quota of scarce and hence highly desirable goods, and it might mean the loss of their business licenses. Small shopkeepers and artisans are not to grumble.”

“Officials, trained only to obey orders, have neither the desire, the equipment, nor the vision to modify rules to suit individual situations,” Reimann explains. “The state bureaucrats, therefore, apply these laws rigidly and mechanically, without regard for the vital interests of essential parts of the national economy. Their only incentive to modify the letter of the law is in bribes from businessmen, who for their part use bribery as their only means of obtaining relief from a rigidity which they find crippling.”

Says another businessman: “Each business move has become very complicated and is full of legal traps which the average businessman cannot determine because there are so many new decrees. All of us in business are constantly in fear of being penalized for the violation of some decree or law.”

Business owners, explains another entrepreneur, cannot exist without a “collaborator,” i.e., a “lawyer” with good contacts in the Nazi bureaucracy, one who “knows exactly how far you can circumvent the law.” Nazi officials, explains Reimann, “obtain money for themselves by merely taking it from capitalists who have funds available with which to purchase influence and protection,” paying for their protection “as did the helpless peasants of feudal days.”

“It has gotten to the point where I cannot talk even in my own factory,” laments a factory owner. “Accidentally, one of the workers overheard me grumbling about some new bureaucratic regulation and he immediately denounced me to the party and the Labor Front office.”

Reports another factory owner: “The greater part of the week I don’t see my factory at all. All this time I spend in visiting dozens of government commissions and offices in order to get raw materials I need. Then there are various tax problems to settle and I must have continual conferences and negotiations with the Price Commission. It sometimes seems as if I do nothing but that, and everywhere I go there are more leaders, party secretaries, and commissars to see.”

In this totalitarian paradigm, a businessman, declares a Nazi decree, “practices his functions primarily as a representative of the State, only secondarily for his own sake.” Complain, warns a Nazi directive, and “we shall take away the freedom still left you.”

In 1933, six years before Reimann’s book, Victor Klemperer, a Jewish academic in Dresden, made the following entry in his diary on February 21: “It is a disgrace that gets worse with every day that passes. And there’s not a sound from anyone. Everyone’s keeping his head down.”

It is impossible to escape the parallels between Guenter Reimann’s account of doing business under the Nazis and the “compassionate,” “responsible,” and regulated “capitalism” of today’s U.S. economy today. At least the German government was frank enough to give the right name to its system of economic control.

Here is the link for this article:

http://mises.org/story/47


6 posted on 05/24/2008 8:02:37 AM PDT by stockpirate (Typical bitter white person, not voting for McCain, he's socialist.)
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To change that, a lawmaker is offering a novel idea. Rep. Sue Myrick of the House Energy and Commerce panel wants to let coastal states decide whether drilling is environmentally risky. She has introduced a bill that would give coastal states that want offshore drilling the power to opt out of the Interior Department's offshore restrictions.

Nope. Declare a national energy emergency and just start drilling wherever there are viable sources. Same with refineries and nuclear power plants.

12 posted on 05/24/2008 8:15:04 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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14 posted on 05/24/2008 8:25:16 AM PDT by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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We're told drilling oil at home is hazardous for the environment. But liberals have no problem with buying oil from Third World countries that don't have the kind of environmental consciousness that we do! It doesn't compute.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

15 posted on 05/24/2008 8:27:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Here is the rat argument in a nutshell: It takes too long--up to ten years to get oil out of these places so why bother,also some might be spilled and our constituents, the enviro wakcos, would have a hissy fit and we might not get our full allotment of campaign contributions.

Pathetic argument but that's what it boils down to. Here is the truth. According to Boone Pickens in another 7-10 years at $750-900 billion per year being transferred to terrorist oil countries, we will be broke as a country.

Here is the truth.

Drilling in Anwar could take a while. You can only drill in the winter when the ground is frozen and only for about 4 months of the year.

Absent a Marshall plan to get oil up and flowing it's an 8-10 years program. With a Marshall type plan exempting all regs and govt. regs. who knows, maybe half that time.

Either way we should start tomorrow.

The Gulf is whole other ball game. I have gotten estimates from numerous Freepers and others who are in the oil business or well connected. They tell me its an 8 month to three year project in the Gulf from start to finish.

Problem is the dem/rats are winning by 6 votes right now, maybe if gas goes to $5.00 we can beat them. It's really sick what they are doing to us, destroying the country and major portions of the world by forcing $126/130 oil.

No one to blame for this but the Democrat party and we should go after them big time if we have half a brain.

45 posted on 05/24/2008 5:01:31 PM PDT by rodguy911 (Support The New media, Ticket the Drive-bys, --America-The land of the Free because of the Brave-)
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huge reserves off Florida's coast, which China is exploiting in Cuban waters.

Ok, this gives me some hope, we won't drill off our own shores, but by god we'll outsource it to China! We'll pay them for our oil- and we'll convince ourselves we've saved the planet in the process.

52 posted on 05/25/2008 8:31:01 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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