Posted on 05/23/2008 11:34:39 AM PDT by neverdem
The state's largest gun control group, CeaseFirePA, is getting a $350,000 grant to strengthen its advocacy efforts statewide.
The Chicago-based Joyce Foundation is granting the organization the money over two years to aid its bid to build a statewide, grass-roots response to gun violence, CeaseFirePA's executive director Joe Grace said...
(Excerpt) Read more at post-gazette.com ...
IIRC, the Joyce Foundation funded Bill AYres.
"A notable recent member of the Joyce Foundation's Board of Directors was Barack Obama, who ran successfully as the Democratic candidate for an Illinois Senate seat in 2004."
Why would legal gun owners be opposed to a bill requiring the reporting of a stolen gun within 72 hours after the gun was stolen? If ant of my guns were to be stolen I’d be reporting that asap.
"In 1999 Ayers joined the Woods Fund of Chicago, where he served as a director alongside Barack Obama until the latter left the Woods board in December 2002. Ayers went on to become Woods' Chairman of the Board."
source: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org
Make unknowing burglary victims into criminals. The GOP will take all the help it can get.
Me too. Kinda makes you wonder why they need a law like that. You don't have laws requiring reporting a stolen TV within 72 hours. Or a cow. Or a hundred dollar bill. Maybe they are trying to say that guns are to be treated differently. Then again, maybe it's that camel's nose under the tent/slippery slope thing.
What if I’m on vacation for a week and a gun is stolen out of my house on the first day of the vacation, used in a crime the next day, and I’m not back to even discover that it’s even missing until the week is over? According to this bill, I broke the law for being robbed while on vacation. It’s just another way for lawmakers to hold law abiding citizens accountable for the actions of criminals.
Because those laws make the original owner liable for damages caused by the thief if he uses the gun in a crime. They also can entrap you with language that includes the words “should have known”, which means that if the gun were stored out of sight, (as it should be in today’s world), and you didn’t KNOW that it was stolen until months later when the cops show up, you are still liable, (I guess on the theory that every time you came home you should have checked to see if your gun was still there.
It’s never as simple as these neo-communist lawyers present it to the public.
I do wonder how much money the Joyce Foundation gets from Soros. By looking at “Discover the Network”, you do find that there really IS a vast LEFT wing conspiracy.
A $350,000 grant from Gun Control Central to promote a “grass roots” response?
I do not think that term means what they think it means.
That assumes you know within 72 hours.
That also assumes the circumstance does not involve other issues that take priority.
Why is this requirement so important that you’d punish the victim for not reporting it within 3 days? What is the gov’t going to do that is so timely and effective that delay on the victim’s part must be reprimanded?
First off, that’s a crap law. Secondly, and MORE IMPORTANTLY, where is this “grant” coming from? The GOVERNMENT??????? THAT’s BIGGER crap.
From this article I understood that the reporting would be required within 72 hours of the owner finding out that their firearm was stolen. You can’t report something until you know about it.
What if you don't know you were robbed for any of a variety of reasons? What if the requirements of being "legal gun owners" are un-Constitutional in the first place, e.g. registration and licensing?
Well, just to be clear, I’m not opposed to the need of gun owners to report to police if their firearm(s) have been stolen. I would definately be opposed to any law which would then make the legal owner of the firearm(s) liable for any crime committed with that stolen firearm. I would also be opposed to making legal firearm owners liable for failure to report if they were unaware that their firearm(s) had been stolen. Any/all laws should make sense, and laws which criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens do not make sense.
Please read my post #15
Because if for any reason you didn’t report the gun lost or stolen in the time that some prosecutor thought you should, you would be charged as an accessory for any crimes committed with the gun up to, and including, 1st degree homicide.
In addition to criminal penalties, it could form the basis for civil suits against you even if you reported the gun lost or stolen within 72 hours of when YOU thought it was lost or stolen.
I would oppose any bill/law that would criminalize law abiding citizens in this way.
It seems that, whenever the Joyce Foundation comes up, George Soros also is involved. If you follow the tentacles to the source, you’ll find the head of the octopus.
So when they come to confiscate your guns you won’t be able to say “they were stolen” to explain why you can’t turn them over. That’s the reason for this proposed law. It’s surely not so the cops can return your stolen weapon to you when its recovered. They keep it as “evidence” until it mysteriously disappears. I know people this has happened to.
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