Posted on 05/23/2008 10:12:33 AM PDT by LeGrande
I’m shocked. SHOCKED I tell you.
I noticed last night that ‘Nancy Grace’ is still convinced that horrible things were going on there and of the guilt of the men.
Fourth Amendment is now history.
Isn’t Swinton an Obama delegate in Colorado?
Just in case you or anyone else haven't read about the sordid details behind Polygamist communities and how they operate:
The Primer---Helping Victims of Domestic Violence and Child Abuse in Polygamous Communities
the initial report was a lie, but that does not mean what the compound was doing was legal. They still were sick and should have had their kids removed whether they “officially” abused them or not.
BTW, the liar is an obama supporter. This was posted on FR when this story (about her lying) first broke.
Ready for another round of “let’s defend FLDS?”
Well, well, well... where’s all the smart asses who were making claims of “child rape” without any evidence, now?
so you are apparently down with polygamy since one person lied here?
So is a lie justified if it's told in service of a truth?
Not necessarily. Ironically, the false rape claim may end up hurting the children, since Sarah's story triggered the raid. If the abuse allegations are real - and Sarah isn't - the government will have a difficult time prosecuting anyone at the compound for child abuse. The false rape claim may allow real child abusers to escape punishment, leaving the children as the littlest victims of false reports.
Which is pretty much the same thing many of us have been saying...but we get accused of supporting these people when we say it.
You’re confusing polygamy with child abuse and child rape. The kids weren’t removed for polygamy. They were removed on alleged child abuse, molestation, and rape.
Polygamy is illegal. Whether they actually physically or sexually abused the kids or not, they did emotionally abuse them through their illegal cult.
That in itself is enough to take the kids away.
that’s some deep analysis there.
I’m “down” with polygamy because I mentioned the liar is an obama supporter.
Wow. Simply wow.
Correct. That is why they were removed, but since polygamy is illegal, the removal was justified on that grounds alone.
There may very well have been horrible things going on in this cult’s “compound”. There may very well be some very guilty men out there.
But the way the investigation was botched, they may never be prosecuted.
And I still haven’t had the ORIGINAL questions I asked about this case adequately answered by ANYONE from the “government is right” side of this argument.
If a two year “inside” investigation indictated that certain MEN were guilty of crimes, why were these MEN not arrested at the START of the “raid”? Why were the only people “detained” (= arrested) women and children?
Let us know if you feel the same way when someone from the Government knocks on your door and accuses you of raising your kids in a way Hillary doesn't approve of, unofficially of course.
Then they yank them out of your wifes arms and send them 600 miles away all without ever charging you with any crime at all.
You're not only a fool, you're a dangerous fool.
L
Remind me again how many members of this 'compound' have been indicted for the crime of polygamy. I can't seem to find any names.
Thanks for the help.
L
One writer (Marci Hamilton) did a great job in sizing this up on a May 1 post…what I kind of reference as the doctrine of ipso-findo:
“Yet, many have argued there was a violation of due process as though the authorities are required to be intentionally ignorant about the communities within their jurisdiction. FLDS lawyers have been floating to the press and public the bizarre notion that authorities were required to enter the compound with a mental blank slate, as though they knew absolutely nothing about the FLDS. It is a position that defies common sense. While authorities need probable cause for a particular raid, they do not have to act stupid once they are inside a criminal organization, whether it is a religious group, the mob, or a drug cartel. Indeed, it is law enforcement's obligation to be informed about likely criminal conduct in their jurisdiction. That includes orchestrated child abuse.“ See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2009647/posts
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